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Welcome to the kids sleep show, where we help tired parents from around the world to get their children to fall asleep independently, sleep through the night and build healthy sleep habits for life. I’m your host, Courtney Zentz. Now let’s sleep together.
Hello, everybody.
It is Courtney Zentz. Here, founder of tiny transitions. I know some of you are jumping into the group for the first time, this may be your first time catching us live. So we are joined today with Miss juryo camfil. From your birth network. I wanted to have your reel on and talk a little bit about what a digital doula is, for those of you that have not heard the term, she runs a company out in Cleveland, Ohio, we’ve had the chance to connect and get to know each other. And I thought it’d be a great opportunity to have her on today and to chat more about herself what she does. And really, if you’re considering both prenatal postnatal support from a doula, what that looks like, right? And, you know, we’re here to answer any questions that you have, and to really educate you on her services. So I’m going to turn it over and allow her to introduce herself, tell us a little bit about herself, and then also how she got into this field. So your real I will turn it over to you. Thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you so much for having me. And for giving you the opportunity to speak to your group, Courtney, I really appreciate it. Hey, everybody in the slumber from a simple family. My name is Dr. Joe Campbell. I live in Cleveland, Ohio, and it’s where I was born. And where I’m also from, I have the unique opportunity to be a certified doula and to support families from pregnancy through early postpartum. And what I do is I translate what’s going on because sometimes it can be a little bit difficult to know, like, what is exactly going on? Is this normal, right. And so I get to do that, I also get to share information about labor, childbirth, education, newborn basics, and I really just get to be the expert in my clients pocket that they can text and email and reach out to when they have any questions. And when they just want to feel that extra support. during these times, especially now with COVID. A lot of appointments have been cancelled. And a lot of people are at home alone, trying to figure out for a lot of first time moms and second and third time moms as well, if what they’re feeling is normal, and there’s a lot of anxiety around it as well. So I get the opportunity just to make parents feel more confident and more comfortable. And I do this by sharing information by sharing resources, tools, and just being that expert in their pocket to ask questions anytime of the day or night.
So how did you get into the doula work? I know when I had my son, I came home and felt alone. I left the hospital making sure he was strapped in the car seat. And that was really all the education and support I got. And you know what, six weeks I almost had a nervous breakdown and was like, Okay, I got this, I got to figure this out. I got to get help. Right. And I think a lot of new parents, they there’s the added pressure of social media, which I don’t think helps the false stigma that everything’s perfect in everyone’s life. And that’s actually what turned me into becoming a sleep consultant and and to be getting into like, I have my postpartum doula certification and the lactation designation because I wanted to be a source of support for new parents because it was such an uncharted field. And obviously I specialize in sleep. But you know, I’m always curious about what your journey looks like to get here. Wow. You know, because everybody has such a fascinating story that I love kind of understanding it. So
yeah, so actually, I found out about doulas back in 2014. So I was single, I didn’t have any kids. And honestly, I haven’t really thought much about becoming a mom. But I just so happened to be friends with someone who was pregnant with her fourth baby, and I got to walk through that whole entire experience with her. throughout that time, a lot of things happened from her, raising her three kids notifying her family that she was having a fourth baby. Her dad actually ended up passing away while she was pregnant. And when she became pregnant, like and went into labor, she ended up contacting me and I thought that it’s a good friend, I should show up to the hospital and be there to support her. I really didn’t know what I was getting into or what that meant. That was the first time I ever witnessed someone go into labor and have a baby in person and her family. They were away. They were actually planning the funeral for her dad because her dad passed away a few days before she went into labor. So I left that experience like so shocked. I was shocked by how many emotions could be in the room during such a happy time. She was also breathing and experiencing that and I was also shocked by how incredible the human body was. And that people got to do that for a living stand around and support women through the labor and delivery process. And I told her, I was like, Oh my gosh, this is like the most incredible thing ever. And I was like, I don’t want to have kids. But I do want to be on the support team for people that are having children. And she was like, well, you can do that. She was like, they’re called doulas, and you should probably look into becoming a doula. And I was like, What is a doula? How do you spell it? Like, I was completely obsessed, I google, I joined all of the Facebook groups, and live kind of kept happening. And then in 2017, I found myself pregnant with my first baby, which was unexpected, um, to be completely honest, I was not happy about it. I was pretty depressed. It was like a time where I wasn’t ready to be a mom. I hadn’t planned on it. And I was just really grappling with like, Who am I going to be now that I’m somebody’s mom, like, what does that me? And so I hired a doula. And I went ahead and plan for a natural vaginal delivery. That’s what I wanted. I wanted a home birth. But my partner wasn’t comfortable with that. So I was like, okay, fine, I’ll deliver in the hospital. But I do still want to have a natural delivery. And so we hired a doula. Our doula met with us. And she met with us three times. And she taught us the techniques and tools that we would need in order to get through a natural labor, she also gave my partner and I tools to communicate with each other better, and to set proper expectations for what what happened in the postpartum period. And I had a beautiful baby girl, she came out six pounds even. And I got my natural vaginal delivery. And that’s because of me hiring the support and getting the information. And that’s what I want people to know is that just like you invest in your retirement, right, you get education, you plan, just like you invest in your marriage, right? You date that person, you get information, and you plan, just like you invest in your wedding, you hire a planner, and you pick the venue and you find out what flowers are in season and you set the budget and you plan. That’s the same way that you should do with your birth of your baby. It is an incredible experience. It’s one that you remember for the rest of your life, and it deserves as much time and planning as you would do with other big events in your life. Right? Your doctor sees you for 10 minutes is no way to get all the information downloaded into you that you would need in order to have a successful experience in that time. So it’s worth listening to podcasts. It’s worth going into chiropractors and physical therapists, so you feel your best. It’s worth hiring a doula if you can, in order to make sure that that experience is just as great as it can be so so yeah, so that’s how I came to doula working. Going through that process of having my own daughter, I realized that there were a lot of places where we hold the baby, but we don’t hold the parents and I was more passionate than ever about being in those gaps to really hold the parents as they transition from adulthood to parenthood.
That’s awesome. What a great story. I didn’t know the whole story. So that’s very good. I’d love to know. So now that you are a mom, and you also deal with, you know, postnatal care, like, there’s a lot of people out there that have already had the baby and are, you know, maybe home in a couple weeks in going, what do I do? What am I doing? I’m looking for support, but I don’t really know what’s out there. Like what do you advise for for somebody? Like can they hire you from a? Alright, well, I already have the baby. But now I need You know, there are postpartum doulas Like what? What does that experience look like in working with families? You know, talk a little bit more about that as well.
Yeah. So the postpartum period, to me is the most important period like to me after you have the baby, you’re really just at the start line, right? Even though they feel like the finish line, because so many people talk about the labor and the delivery. But there is a lot that happens once you get home with this beautiful baby. Some people may not even be aware, yes, they do let you go home with the baby by yourself. And then you and your partner, if you choose when you are at home trying to figure out like what is that look like? So for moms that have not gotten quite to the point where they are in the postpartum period, I would say that you want to create a postpartum plan. What you want that plan to include is how you’re going to feed your baby, right. So if you are choosing to breastfeed, or trust me, I do want you to get it classes and get the resources that you can in order to make that process easy. And so that way, you also have the people who you can turn to when you do get to the other side and you are in the postpartum period. Sometimes you’re just exhausted, you’re overwhelmed and making so many decisions in the postpartum period can be overwhelming. And it’s easy to make decisions where you have prior to you getting to that point, and that you already know who to call because you have that support system set up. If you are already in the postpartum period, and you’re like, wow, I really need to reach out to some people you absolutely feel okay. The first point of contact you want to reach out to I would say is like your health care providers office. So the OB or the midwife who delivered your baby, that’s the person who office he wants to contact because they also have a lot of resources that we’re not aware of So I will contact them and say, Hey, I need a referral for someone to speak to about feeding my baby or about mental health, like whatever it is that you feel you need, contact them first. If you contact them, and they’re not able to give you exactly what you need, then your second option is to do what you’re doing here in the Facebook group, right? You are surrounded by a lot of people who are at different points in their journey. And chances are they have experience with your experiencing. So you can always go into Facebook groups and ask for recommendations as well. You can also reach out to your support group, if you have friends or best friends who have gone through that process. You can always ask them for recommendations for pediatricians or mental health therapy. If you don’t feel comfortable asking somebody in your network, there’s always online places, like an open path collective is an online source for mental health and better health is also I’m sorry, better health rather, is also one life support group for mental health. Um, so yeah, so I would just reach out on Cleveland has a Cleveland attachment parenting Facebook group, a lot of moms ask for recommendations on breastfeeding mental health. Pediatricians, they ask questions about tongue tie, like they ask questions all the time. So trying to find a local group, and moms who are already there, you can always ask them questions. So yeah, so that’s what I would say, um, just don’t be by yourself, like, literally physically and online and then not say anything, because a lot of people feel like they don’t have a place to say anything, they may be a little bit embarrassed to say something, they may feel like they’re all alone. Whatever you’re going through, you’re absolutely not alone. There’s a lot of things about parenting that people don’t share on a public forum. So we live in a world where you get the highlight reel. So a lot of people are showing you the best side of parenting, but there are other sides as well. And we’re all experiencing them, even if we’re not talking about it. So just don’t be afraid to say something.
Yeah, I love that. I think it’s super important. Because especially, I’ve noticed in our own home with just the pandemic, right, I think we’re all on edge. I’m an entrepreneur, I run my business, and I work at home. So my kids see me here, and I’m working all the time, but they don’t look at it that way. Right? They see me as Yeah, I want to play with mommy and mommy’s not playing with me, right. And so we’ve had to deal with some of the behavioral stuff. And my kids are a little older. Now they’re toddlers, but you know, it’s hard. Like you’re you’re trying to balance at all, I think right now, and I’m seeing the impact on not only the the parents from a mental standpoint, but the children who are being like, what the emotional regulation and such as happening with these little kids. What is happening in our world right now. So, you know, you’re driving normalcy for them carry a little bit more of an extra burden than you already were. And, you know, do it all and you know, I think the next couple of months, especially like, it’s okay to ask for help, it’s okay to talk to an admin of a group or put it out there that says like, hey, if I’m not comfortable posting this, like, know that you can post something anonymously, and say, like, a post for a member, this is happening and life’s a dumpster fire, and I need help, right? And I think just sometimes talking about it, whether it’s to your doula or to Facebook anonymously, like, there’s something Yeah, putting it out there. When you put it out there. Like you’re now open to receiving the feedback, sometimes the feedbacks, not what you want to hear. But other times, it’s enough that it helps you to start working through what those challenges are, you know, yeah.
And I want everybody to know that, like, I actually was the like, depressed, and I didn’t know during my pregnancy, and I didn’t go seek help. And so my daughter was like one years old. And I finally went to go see like a mental health therapist, and I went to therapy consistently for over a year. So I just want everybody to know that sometimes, you know, as much as you want to, you may not be able to pull yourself out of whatever you’re in. Sometimes you do need to lean on other people. And that’s all we have other people around us. And so definitely I didn’t even think about that before and he does a great point. Reach out anonymously if you have to. Therapy is the most underrated tool of adulthood. I’m convinced. So, you know, it’s nothing wrong with reaching out if that’s what you need, if nothing wrong with saying, This is supposed to be the happiest time of my life, but I’m not happy. Like it’s okay to admit that and then to do something that way you can feel like yourself again. Because that’s not where you have to stay. Right? If that’s where you are right now and you want to be somewhere different you absolutely can get.
Absolutely, I think it’s so important because I was like you I I didn’t know that I had what I would probably equate to postpartum anxiety. But it’s so I was what I would consider like an undiagnosed someone who had some aspect of postpartum anxiety or you know, I don’t know if it’s, it’s new parenting or if it’s that it is the overwhelm and the hormones or just frankly, that I was actually depressed. And you know, and I called my girlfriend every day and she was my wrong like, I bet Read every day I call him like, I had a nervous breakdown, I can’t put the Moby wrap on I suck as a parent. And yeah, you know, it’s like, oh my god, like, I just can’t wrap my baby like, it’s fine. Like, you’re not, you’re going to be my one girlfriend reading you, like, dude, you’re fine, like, relax, like, it’s okay. And I think, you know, again, it’s just you’re so overwhelmed with so many emotions, and I never I went to seek help for it. And then they started diving into, like, you know, way too much for at the time I was not ready for. So I, you know, worked through, personally, just my friends and my husband and I was very vocal with him. And that’s where the one thing I did get out of that therapy with the practitioner at the time. And I think it was, frankly, just a bad matchup between her and I, and, you know, I didn’t want to get into 20 years of like, you know, daddy issues, it was more just like, I just don’t feel good. And I don’t want to walk in the kitchen right now. Because I’m afraid there’s a knife in there. So, yeah, I just stayed out of the kitchen. And, you know, that was for me, the first couple months of, you know, my son with my daughter was much better, but, you know, it’s, it’s just like that it’s okay to like, ask for help and know that it does get better. You know, like, my second child, I did much better my daughter sybella. And I recognized mentally, like, there are certain things from a self care standpoint that I wasn’t doing before. And so yeah, like I needed to do and talk to someone and, you know, frankly, like, have that outlet that I you know, I didn’t have with my first son and not feel so alone, you know, and I think it’s like a game of like, life’s perfect. It’s funny, because I was at the, you know, the bookstore the other day. I like paper books, like I’m a paper book person. And I bought this.
Oh, that looks like a good one. So
quickly. Yes. So this is Sarah Knight, and it’s called the Bleep down. And I bought it because I like lost my cool a couple weeks ago, and I’ve talked about this before, where it was just like, you know, I think we’re all at a boiling point. I’m like, Okay, I gotta get like, I go from zero to 100 because I let it fester. And then I freak out, you know, and that’s not the right way to, you know, kids that are stressed right now. And I, you know, I try to balance and take it all in and then boom, yeah. You know, you sort of fly off the handle, like, okay, like, like, like, we’re all safe. We’re all healthy. We’re all home, we have a you know, a baby, a child, a toddler, whatever age. Yeah, before, you know, I think communication for me was the biggest win, whether it’s a therapist or your partner or the wall, talk to your priest talk to an aunt somebody unbiased, you know, the Facebook groups are biased, you know, some degree I will say, but like, communicate, like I had talked to my husband. And I basically said, like, I’m not doing well. And I’m like, I don’t know how to fix this, because this is the first job I’ve ever sucked at. And for me, that was like a hard thing to swallow. Because I’ve always done my best to be prepared. read every book, read every blog, like I got, I got rock, rock and motherhood and I’m still gonna be, you know, work at my corporate job and still gonna kick butt on maternity leave. And like the demo I saw, you know, and I talked to my husband about it. And our his, you know, his response to me was like, you have to ask me, Courtney, I don’t know, I don’t know what you need, if you don’t communicate with me. And I’m not a mind reader, like you’re giving me the silent treatment, or you’re not asking for help to clean the bathroom, or do the laundry or clean your pump parts. Like, I don’t know, I’m supposed to do that. I don’t know what I’m supposed to teach and not you know. And so you’re solving it was a $15 whiteboard. And I basically wrote everything I did in a day that like needed to be done whether or in a week rather like cut the grass, cook dinner, go grocery shopping, do the laundry, sterilized parts for the pump, like so I kind of had this with a permanent marker, I wrote everything down. And then you know, with a dry erase marker every day, he could kind of see like, okay, pump parts need to get sterilized or, hey, laundry hasn’t been a week, like, I’ll take that, right. That’s another way to communicate that was like, anything on that list was fair game. And sometimes I would be overwhelmed and talk about it. And that gave us like a chain of communication that we never would have had if he didn’t say literally at the time when he said it I was like a whiteboard. You think a whiteboard is gonna stop you know gonna solve this and I was like, Huh, would probably solve it so it was it Yeah. interesting for me to, to kind of take that look at it. But I think to your point like that can be so crucial. Just ask for it. Ask for help. Whether it’s from you know, again, like a doula in the postpartum pasady or, you know, mental doctor, pediatrician, lactation consultant, best friend, you know, just so important.
Yeah, and I completely agree with Courtney, you guys, I definitely think that keeping a running list even right now of the things that you do is awesome, because people will ask you, what do you need, and sometimes you’ll be overwhelmed. You’ll be tired. You know, you’ll say I don’t know what I need or I don’t need anything. Just because you You’re like trying to figure out what you need. And so already having that list that you can delegate to other people is fantastic. I’m already making plans for where in your house, they’re going to feed your baby and setting up stations to make that easier. I’m already having a meal train, or like crock pot meals and Ziploc bags that are, you know, frozen that you can have that you don’t have to cook dinner for a little while hiring some sort of help. As far as like a maid, if you want to someone to clean that way you or your spouse don’t have to argue about like, Who’s going to clean the toilet, if we having a neighbor who’s willing to walk their dog, when they go walk their dog, like things like that are things that you can take off of your plate, that way you don’t get so overwhelmed. And you can really just focus on nurturing yourself nurturing your baby bonding with your baby, and staying relaxed. And it’s okay if you do lose it sometimes. And it’s okay, if you want to see the kind of therapist that does not recommend medication and can’t prescribe medication that way, you know, it’s just talk therapy and that they won’t be trying to do a deep dive into you know, all your personal business, when you just want to talk about how overwhelming being a parent is. You could also join parenting groups, so people who are pregnant around the same time you are and like online childbirth education groups, maybe you guys can continue to communicate with each other even throughout early parenting. So you’re not alone. And they can be your support group. But yeah, absolutely. Communication is key. We and our partners are experiencing parenthood in a different way, right. And so they may be, you know, don’t know what we need. And that’s okay, we can just let them know. And I’m sure that they’re happy to jump in. But sometimes when we try to communicate, once we get overwhelmed, it comes out differently. So trying to have that conversation, maybe after a 10 second hug where everybody can just breathe, and remember why we love each other and then communicating maybe better. Yeah,
I totally love it. I’m so excited that you’re here and able to chat through this. Tell me a little bit more about from your standpoint, like how folks can get in touch with you. You know what, what the next steps are, if they’re just kind of unsure if they want to reach out and talk to you or you know, yeah, seeing a little bit more about the doula side of things. Yeah. So
if you want more information about hiring a doula if it’s not me, just anybody, right? Any doula across the country? So what you can do is, again, you know, a Facebook group. So if you are in a local Facebook group, and you have parents, so you can ask, Hey, have you hired a doula let me just get some recommendations. We are in parenting Facebook groups, because we’re doing this and we’re parents. So a lot of doulas will tag themselves and moms will also tag doulas that they have used so definitely do that. You can also do an online search for doula near me and it’ll pop up like the top of websites of doulas in your area. I would highly advise interviewing at least three doulas just to see different things. One, you want to see how fast they communicate, you know to you once you send that inquiry, right? Because this is going to be the person that you want to ask questions that will be on call for you when you go into labor. That’ll also be walking with you throughout the postpartum period. You want to make sure that they’re responsive to once you do the interview, you want to make sure that they have a non judgmental open philosophy about birth and about postpartum, right. You don’t want someone who is you know, going to bring their own agenda. The doulas job is to support you and your family, whatever your goals are, becomes their goals, right. So we adopt the goals of our clients. We don’t have you know, any agenda, we don’t have any bias. We just want you to feel supported and get exactly what you want and feel comfortable with the way that you’re birthing and raising your family. Right. So that’s our goal to support your goals. And then number three, you just want to make sure that it’s somebody who you can see yourself telling like your deepest, darkest secret, essentially, doulas are with you through a time of transition. And transitions can look many different ways. And so you do want to feel comfortable and like you’re not going to feel like oh, no, I can’t tell this to my doula, right, because we feel like that about certain members of our family, right? Like, what was my mom think? What will my I think if I told them x, y, z, your doula should be a safe neutral space where you feel like, Hey, I can tell you that me and my partner aren’t getting along. Like we used to know this baby, if you’re and I have no idea who he is, like, that’s the person who you want your doula to be. So I just want to make sure that everybody knows you can find a doula you should definitely interview more than one. And that you do want to make sure that that person makes you feel comfortable, and it’s also responsive to you. doulas have a varying amount of experience, I can tell you that it’s not as important how much experience they have, because no two people like go through the same exact process. So you just want to make sure that they’re good communicators, they’re good listeners, and that you actually feel comfortable coming to them with whatever it is that you have, and that when they do share information with you, it’s clear and you do understand the information and you know, what moves you want to make next, right? Because they’re a part of your team. And it’s a collaborative effort, right? So you want to make sure that that’s in place as well. Otherwise, I can’t think of anything else in particular for like, what doula support. I do want to let people know there are different kinds of doulas. So you can get a birth doula you can get a postpartum doula you can get a fertility surrogate doula and adoption doula. So no matter how you are growing your family or what stage you are in with growing your family, there is doula support for wherever you are. So I do want to let people know that as well. Um, I can’t think of anything else. a doula does not replace a midwife or an OB. So we’re not medically trained. We don’t catch babies. Just so that way that’s clear. We can work in, you know, conjunction with whoever your healthcare provider is. But the safe safety and the health of the baby is their responsibility. Our responsibility is the mental spiritual wellness of the parents, right, and making sure that we empower you to be your own advocate and make the best decisions for you and your family. So I do want to make that distinction as well.
And I think it’s interesting. You mentioned the different types of doulas. There’s also a digital doula, right, which is what you yourself as like, I’m a digital doula like I can support moms anyway. What is a digital doula, like Tell me a little bit more tell our, you know, guests, your listeners, a little bit more about the digital doula side of things, because it’s interesting, concept standpoint.
Right. So I had to kind of pivot because of COVID, which is not a bad thing, because I feel like now I can absolutely help moms anywhere in the world. And I’m really excited about that. So in a typical role of the doula pre COVID, you would meet with your doula, and they would show up for you in person at the hospital or at your home if you chose to do a home birth or at the birth center. And they will be there to physically administer like all of the pain techniques, all of the massages and to support you throughout that process. And then same thing in the postpartum period, they will show up at your house to support you. Now with everything going on. Because of COVID. We are in a situation where some hospitals have allow extra person to come in on top of the partner, some hospitals have not, I just happened to live in a place where they have not only two hospitals in my area will allow doulas to enter the facility. And the major hospitals here which of course, the Cleveland Clinic because I live in Cleveland, and University Hospital is also the second one. They are like standing to their strict no visitor policy. So only the birthing person and their partner will be admitted into the maternity work, which is completely fine. So I meet with my clients via zoom, like we’re meeting today. And we also do FaceTime. And I meet with them, and I just share whatever I can with them as far as like, where are we right now. So my clients right now, they are still pretty early in their pregnancy. So we’re doing birth planning, we’re also doing postpartum planning. We’re doing childbirth education, we’re doing breastfeeding. So we’re doing all of that online via zoom with them and their partner. And then as they transition into a place where they are going into labor, we will meet here again on zoom. And they’ll be able to chat with me whenever they can, I’ll be able to suggest to their partner some different positions and pain management that they can do until they get to the hospital, right. So natural techniques. And then once they’re in the hospital, I can translate some of the things that they are offering, and be able to let them know, Hey, you mentioned that you didn’t want XYZ, hey, partner, this was a time where they normally this comes up. So make sure that you know your birth plan as you guys written it, I’m safe intact. And if you guys do want to pivot, this is the time where you want to make that decision, right. So I am still supporting the partners to support the birthing person, as their doula as if I was in the room. So that way, they can still get that same support. So it’s in person doula support just on your phone or your iPad. That was that was the difference now with COVID.
Nice, well, that’s very cool. But you know, folks can have a resource like you I’ve loved, you know, chatting with you over the past couple weeks, and just getting to know what you’re doing. And it’s such a cool, such a cool world right now where the pivoting is going to bring about something that you know, may not have ever come about. And so it’s neat that, you know, you’re you’re having that come to fruition, which is lovely. What I’ll do is, you know, share all of your information for sure. But if you want to tell them how to how to find you your social media information, just so they can follow you, and also how to contact you if they want to learn more about your services, and you know, the offerings that you provide.
Yeah, absolutely. So Courtney, thank you so much for this time. It’s been absolutely incredible. And thank you for sharing your platform with me, I really appreciate that. Anybody who wants to follow me, I’m all over the internet at your birth network. So that’s your birth network Comm. And then of course, I’m on Facebook and Instagram and YouTube and all of the places so at your birth network is where you can find me. I want to highly encourage parents to parents themselves, which is the concept that I heard last year, parent is the acronym P is postpartum. Right? So plan for your postpartum period and take advantage of everything that you possibly can to get support within that period as alternatives. Anytime you’re presented with something that you feel uncomfortable with or you’re not sure about, always ask for the alternative. So whatever that suggestion is, ours rest. Definitely rest. Okay, productivity is out of the window. We’re in COVID. County, okay. COVID country, okay, so productivity and time don’t mean the same things that they used to. And this is the time where you really just want to rest and lean into restoring yourself restoring your body and just allowing yourself to rest whenever you can. As you guys know, Courtney is the baby fleet boss. So absolutely, if you need more rest in your life, you need to get your baby on a sleep plan. She’s the person that you want to reach out to. And then he asked for he consider like the food that you’re putting into your body that can help you promote your postpartum healing as well. Also, consider encapsulating your placenta. If that’s something that you haven’t looked into, you can definitely contact a doula and ask them for more information about that. Nurture, I want to say as well nurture yourself as parents, we always think about others, right? We think about our partner, we think about our children, I just want to make sure everyone is pouring into themselves and nurturing themselves and keeping themselves at the top of their self care agenda. And then T is tapping to support right, so definitely find your online support, find your in person support, find the group, find the people who are really nurture you throughout that process and who you can ask if you need help. Okay, so T is tapping to support so parent yourself. And I want you guys to remember that acronym. And thank you guys again, so much for the opportunity and for the platform. I really appreciate it. Perfect. Thank
you so much to real, have an awesome rest of the day, a beautiful weekend, and I look forward to chatting again very soon.
All right, thank you so much. Bye, everybody.
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