Episode #145 Lisa Myers, CEO of Ceres Chill on Changing the Breastmilk Storage Game

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Welcome to the kids sleep Show podcast where we dive into the magical world of sleep, and all things parenting. Join us as we embark on a journey filled with expert advice, practical tips and heartwarming stories that will transform your little ones into sleep superheroes, and empower you to navigate the beautiful chaos of parenting. I’m your host, Courtney Zentz. And I’m on a mission to change how the world view sleep and provide accessible sleep coaching resources for all families to build healthy sleep habits in their home for children, and adults of all ages. As an award winning speaker, author and pediatric sleep expert, myself and my team of consultants work intimately with families around the world to teach healthy sleep habits to children and adults. I believe wholeheartedly that sleep is the foundation for which a happy home is built. So let’s sleep together. Hey, everyone, this week on the kids sleep show, I am excited to welcome someone who I had the pleasure of meeting at the American Academy of Pediatrics Conference this past year in DC. Her name is Lisa Meyers, and she is the inventor of a product and a company called Serious chill. And it’s a breast milk storage company. And it is such a cool technology. So I’m going to take a minute and kind of just introduce you to Lisa. And then I’m going to welcome her into the show. But she much like many of us tried to go back to work as a breastfeeding mom who started her pumping journey as she returned to work and realized that the storage of breast milk was a nightmare. And both she and I had probably dumped countless 1000s of ounces down the drain. Because there was no safe way to get it home through the airports. And you know, just the mess of trying to manage working traveling and breastfeeding. So fast forward, Lisa invented just in the past few years a product called the oh gee chiller, and it is a breast milk chiller that also acts as a bottle warmer. It’s like this really cool revolutionary product. But she’s got so much cool stuff. So I’m excited to have her on. She’s a super incredibly resourceful mom, and she was an attorney in her past life. And her goal really now is to help support a community of parents, right, who are on this breastfeeding journey or just on a parenting journey. And she’s come up with so many neat products along the way to help families to reach their goals. And you know, really to support the new mom in a different way. She really dedicates her time herself and her company to her two kids, but also, you know, living out in Seattle and spending her time educating on all things, breast milk. So I’m gonna welcome Lisa to the show. So give me just a minute and let’s bring her on. Hey, everyone, welcome to this week’s episode of the Kids sleep Show. I’m your host, Courtney Zentz. And I am joined today by a wonderful founder of a product I wish was around when I was going through my lactation journey. Miss Lisa Myers, the founder and CEO of serious chill, thank you so much for being on the show today.

Oh my gosh, Courtney, thanks for having me. This is pretty great. I really admire everything you do for moms. So being able to speak with your parents is a big deal to me.

I appreciate it. I’m just always so passionate about helping new moms or you know, next baby moms in trying to figure out this crazy world of parenting, it is something I will say, you know, I was joking the other day, I didn’t think in my 20s I wanted to have kids. And then when I finally met my husband, and we decided to start a family. It is the hardest job in the whole world. So I think you know, for folks like you and what I’m trying to do, right, which is bring products to market that really serve serve a need that was missing to help parents like lean in and love parenting as much as they love their kids and not feel so totally overwhelmed. Yeah,

I think it’s the moments when we really, I would say wouldn’t be so strong as to say hate parenting but strongly dislike parenting, as my mom would say, I’m strongly dislike something is when we feel that we’re failing at it. Or we’re Yeah, we’re failing our children or ourselves or our partners. Just that feeling of failure creates that, that anxiety and frustration and so much of that has to do with sleep. So like he said, I really appreciate what you do, because it’s the only way to survive, right? Yeah, no,

absolutely. And I mean, I think what I wanted to take some time today to chat about was your journey, right? Like you were a career professional who has a baby and is starting to breastfeed and wants to pump in his head and back to work right like I was I was joking I’m like we pumped in a closet that maybe had a fridge that might have worked that maybe somebody didn’t take my milk home that day, right? Like where did the idea for serious chill come about?

Oh, Hey, that’s a great question. And I can pretty much trace it to like the exact moment right the exact email I was writing, like so many moms, I was headed back to work after I was lucky enough to have maternity. So three months of maternity headed back after my second. So with my first with my daughter, I felt like I’d really failed her i supplemented with formula. And that’s not an actual failure. But you know, there’s such an emphasis on breastfeeding for good reason, because of the health benefits for mom and for and for baby. So with my son, I was determined, like, I’m gonna make this happen, I went back to work, and I had all my milk lined up on the desk. And I’m like, I was so pleased, I had all my pump parts, I’m like, this is a fail, I have no safe way to store this milk. And I had long days I was, I was a mid level partner at my firm, had a law firm. And and I had a commute, you know, I had to get to and from work like all of us, particularly before COVID. And I had no safe way to serve my milk. And what I knew is that I didn’t need another bag, and a cooler, and coolers last six to eight hours with a freeze pack. And like you said, there’s all kinds of drawbacks to a communal fridge, sometimes people leave that door opens. And I’ve seen people take your milk sometimes. I mean, it’s just next to like a rotting sandwich. None of it is desirable. And, and so I just thought the world has failed moms for far too long. And somebody asked to do something about it. I couldn’t believe there wasn’t a better option than a cooler. So I went about making it happen. And it was really, me as a mom with that sense of fairness. I am not an inventor, I was not a business woman. I just knew that there was this huge gap in the world. That was it was allowing all these moms to fall through moms in particular. So that was a long answer to your question. But it just women fail to meet their breastfeeding goals and their personal personal goals when they don’t have the tools and they don’t see a path forward. And so this provides women with what they need, because it’s over 20 hours of breast milk storage, don’t have to remember a freeze pack. And you can just like grab it and go. I love it.

And I think to your point, the accessibility of these types of products, like I used to use a specific brand, and I won’t call them out, but like, you got the little cooler thing and it fit for little four ounce bottles. And I’m like I work like a lot. And I’m driving and I would always pump on the way to work. So I brought my kids at daycare, and then I would put my pump parts on. And at the time, they didn’t have the fancy pumps. They had the like whole turnpike’s on my boots. Right. And I didn’t care. I’m like cruising in my tinted windows, like, you know, Honk if you see, I’ll give you like what you’re seeing, right? Because it was like I could get the milk out. I could express a little bit before I got to the office. And then I was very regimented with a three hour schedule. And my my folks knew, like, if you blocked over my calendar, I’m pumping. So it says, and you’re gonna hear my pomp and I had guide teammates. At the time that were on my team. I had like a team of 40 when I was still in corporate. And I’m like, as you booked a meeting, like I’m pumping all go on mute, but like they’re not as quiet as they were. And they would sit and we would have meetings and I didn’t care. I’m like, I’m in the little closet with my laptop. Or no. But like, I had to take the milk from the car that I just expressed at 7am Knowing I wasn’t getting home till 530 That night, and like, dump it out and then bring it in and then put it in the cooler and then put the cooler in the thing and that you know, and it’s like, well, if you freeze it, then it’s got to stay frozen. It just became to your point, especially with traveling like I traveled a lot. Yeah, Nightmare, like security never knew how to handle the breast milk. They’d be like sticking their fingers in and I’m like, You’re You’re contaminating my milk. Like, what?

But you’re just like, what, why would that occur to someone who’s being okay to

do? Yeah, like, what are we doing with this? You know, and I’m like, in the middle of the Vegas airport, I very clearly remember I was speaking at jiveworld at the time. And I was like just sitting in the middle of the airport pumping. I’m like standing in the bathroom pumping like what do we do with all this, you know, bridge, like the chiller which is the first product that I saw. You know, when I met you at the American Academy of Pediatrics conference and like I have to talk to her more like what a genius idea I mean every mom in the world right now it seems like he’s spending 50 bucks on their little Stanley and I will say I love that regulates my water intake. But like this is like talking about the chiller because this is the product that was like the right the OG chiller, I guess.

Yeah, no, you’re the best party. So I I’m bad about talking about myself. I’m better about talking about other moms and I have to say I really admire you first and foremost for setting that goal for yourself and for your kids and like so that you could be a professional and you could still breastfeed for so many women. It’s intimidating to to advocate for yourself that way and to put yourself out there as a woman and a mom. And I mean, and I’ll just throw this fact out there real quick. So, three, almost 4 million babies are born in the US right? Over 80% 80 to 85% of moms start breastfeeding, by the time they go back to work, less than 50% are breastfeeding. And less than 25% of kids are getting exclusive breast milk. And it’s it’s for the reasons you’re saying it just gets to be too much like with sleep deprivation, and then you’re trying to meet this goal. You’re like, you know what Something’s gotta give. And it’s going to be breastfeeding too often it’s breastfeeding, I threw away easily 1000s of ounces. So like what you’re talking about, you know, they’ve created these beautiful lactation spaces now. So yeah, it would be in bathrooms, nasty bathrooms. But then sometimes you would find these like mama VA pods, or you would find like these beautiful nursing rooms, like Denver has a gorgeous nursing room. But there was no way for me to safely transport my milk. Because to your point, TSA wasn’t real familiar. But if that freeze pack is not perfectly frozen, they make you throw it out. I mean, there’s occasionally someone that will take pity on a mom, that’s bawling her eyes out, but they need to throw it out because it could be a bomb. So you don’t have a freeze pack, your milk is garbage. So I would go into these beautiful nursing spaces, I would pump and then I would walk straight over to the sink or to the garbage and just pour it out because I needed to keep up my supply. But I couldn’t get my milk home safely. And so yeah, it was a whole it was a whole thing if people like at the AAP when we were at the American Academy of Pediatrics, so many doctors who are there who use the chiller because you know, they have super long shifts, were they I mean, they were like watching me in their eyes were getting big and their mouths were dropping them. They’re like, they’re like you just threw it away. And I’m like, yeah, there was nothing else. Like, I just didn’t have the fight in me. With the sleep deprivation, I keep reading up but with the sleep deprivation, and then you’re trying to like accomplish whatever tasks like an arbitration or a court hearing or something, and you’ve got all this stuff and you’re like, I just don’t have any more fight in me for TSA or whatever it was, especially if you knew it was going to end in like heartbreak Anyway, like I give up you when it’s over. So okay, we’re gonna talk about sure you were asking me? No, but

I mean, I think it’s important that you bring up this point as I hold my OG chiller because I had my son, and he’s 10 Now this year, and I left that hospital with nothing. Okay, I had as many ice diapers as I can shove in my bag. And I’m sorry, if you’re listening mainline health, but I did take a lot with me. And that was it. And I shoved him in his car seat. And they made sure he was strapped in before we can room right. And that was it. They were like good luck, parenting journey. And I’m like, wait, what do we do now? Right? And there was no resources. I didn’t know what a pediatric sleep coach or a baby sleep consultant was. I didn’t know. Like, I knew obviously, what a lactation counselor was but at the time I milk hadn’t come in. So I was like, this is yeah.

Right. Like that’s what is supposed to be natural, right? Like, I mean, kind of to sleep to, although I think there’s maybe a little bit more support around that because they’re like, is your baby’s sleeping through the night my baby’s not sleeping. But very few people are saying I can’t breastfeed like I my body cannot provide what my baby needs to stay alive like that is there’s a lot of I think there’s a lot of shame wrapped up in that. Sorry, I jumped on you I was so excited. It

just It drives me crazy because I was the postpartum anxiety, spiraling staircase type A have to be perfect mom and perfect wife and perfect. You know, executive on maternity leave with a team of 40 I’m still trying to support while I’m typing emails and shooting milk and baby sleeping and I’m packing our house to move and I’m like, bang, bang, bang. I’m gonna just gonna kick the heck out all of this stuff, right and see it, I can see it. And I was failing on the inside. I was a nobody would know it because I don’t think I knew it. You know, at least if that makes sense. Like I didn’t realize what postpartum anxiety and depression was. All I knew is I was obsessed with nursing because they told you that’s what you had to do. And you are a failure if you quit at it, right. And my girlfriend is the only one that knew that. I was like struggling because I talked to her every day. You know, my mom’s dead. I didn’t have anybody to go to my husband went back to work on day two because he was the controller. eBay is like PD six month. You know what I mean? So I didn’t have a village like I had me alone with this baby. You I didn’t know what to do with and milk shooting out, you know, and I started pumping right away. And I know there’s mixed like feedback as there is with everything. But like the day I came home from the hospital, I started pumping, so there was some milk so he could do a dream feed like, you know, me did. And I was like, okay, but I didn’t know how to use a pump. I didn’t even know what the little thing was microphones like, Dude, you gotta hit the button. What the hell’s the button? You know? So I like I was over anxious and then I felt like a failure and it very quickly spiraled. And it was really hard. My first son was my reason for starting tiny transitions. But that over, I had to be perfectly so you know what I mean? Like, I want a perfect mom who was pumping and doing all the things and I went back to work at 12 weeks, and I did pump through, I would say, I pumped for 12 months, my son nursed between, you know, daycare and stuff like at home or at bedtime. Until about 10 months, he bit me i squealed like a circus pig. And then he never lashed again. And I was I was like laying naked in the tub with him laying in the bed, like I couldn’t get him to relax. And I still very clearly remember the last time he lashed was at my mother in laws. Two or three days later, I got them on one last time and dining room. And that was it. And it was done. And I kept pumping, because I was like, I’m gonna make a year. And I think I got pretty close. But it was some crap goal in my head. I had my daughter, she had a tongue tie. She basically rejected something in my diet, and I still can’t figure it out, because she never had a milk protein allergy. And she slammed that Costco formula like a boss. But I had to let it go. I had to let it go. For three weeks, she was miserable on my milk. And my husband’s like, why don’t for 24 hours, we just give her formula and see how she responds. We got a process eliminated. Right, and you’re gonna jump off a bridge. And we did and she was like a new baby. And yeah, what, what, what in my milk, you know, and I’m a lactation counselor, by the way, like, I went through and became a CLC and stuff. So it’s not like this was foreign to me. And we still couldn’t figure it out, I probably gave away some lovely woman, about 4000 ounces of breast milk, because I pumped for six months, every three hours and stored it in my freezer, like eventually she’ll take it and then make it and she just kept taking her formula. And every time I would throw a bottle of milk in there, she would be like, nope, not having it. Thanks. You know, and she would freak out for like, six hours after she drank it. There was something in my milk. And maybe it’s because I eat a real clean diet. Maybe it’s like lots of greens. I don’t know what it was. But like I said, Costco formula, like she was a boss with it, you know, and I just let it go. And I had different expectations. The second time around, I don’t think everybody gets that second time around, because the first time can be so traumatic. You know what I mean? So I think to your point, like give yourself grace, because like after she took that formula, I was like, and we’re done. Like, okay, I’ll keep pumping, because maybe she’ll take it back. But like, I gotta let something go. And I can’t control that she’s uncomfortable. And it’s not fair to her to be uncomfortable. And I can’t determine why. You know, right,

right. No one it’s so much. It’s so much like listening to you talk about I had so much wrapped up in my daughter. Like when I was successful with my son, it created this whole other level of guilt only and I really think only moms are capable of doing this themselves. So what I was successful with Colin because I did have the help of lactation consultant. I don’t know why I failed so poor horribly with my daughter. But once I was successful with Colin, him, like, I didn’t try hard enough. I didn’t try hard enough, like had I had I put more effort in had I figured out what the problem was like I could have given that tour. And, and I mean, and whatever that means, right? Like, but I clicked on that. So then fast forward a few years. I hope this is helpful to your listeners to hear about our journey. But she started having seizures out of the clear blue sky at age four. focal seizure, where they just disappear, which is so scary, right. And it was misdiagnosed as night terrors. So I was told to just sit with her. Meanwhile, she’s having a 10 minute long focal seizure that eventually like over the course of 24 hours became a grand mal seizure. And Seattle Children’s Hospital was just so amazing and helped us properly diagnose what was going on. And she went on medication. And I you know, there was like a small piece of me, right? I never said it out loud because you’re not supposed to have that much mom guilt. But I’m like, Man, if I could have breastfed her, like I mean, if I could have like, given her what she needed, because you know, for their brains and all of that. So at the time, my son was three months old, and I asked the head of Neurology at Seattle Children’s, like this preeminent Doctor in the world. Do I have to worry about this little guy? And he, you know, looked at me and he’s like, Oh, no, no, this is this sometimes happens. It’s a random misfire. There’s no tumor. We don’t know. She’ll probably grow out of it. No idea. But no, put that out of your head. There’s no history for you or your husband. No way. Fast forward four years after I breastfed that little guy for two years because it was in the pandemic. And you don’t stop breastfeeding a baby in the middle of an international health crisis. Right? So that little guy got wrestled for two years because he He nursed like a champ and and I was and you know, when I was around them all the time. Four years old, if I’ll be Gosh, start if that little stinker doesn’t have a seizure. Oh my God. They have them in the middle of the night Courtney so like that’s a whole other thing. We can have a glass Weiner a cup of tea a talk about because I could use help sleeping through the night sometimes myself, but, um, yeah. And I was like, Okay, that was like it was it was as terrible as it is that both my kids have seizures. And we’re working with a geneticist to figure out what it might be just for a consideration for them for their kids in the future. But I was like, well, it’s not the breastfeeding. At least I know that I might have done something else. And there might be something in my genes, but I know for darn sure it wasn’t the breast milk. So yeah, it’s we do we do some pretty terrible things to ourselves and giving ourselves grace, I think is the way that we can see greater success as parents and as women and whether it’s breastfeeding or sleep training. And I have to say, Okay, so the chiller so we’re talking about the chiller. So this is the OD chiller, but one thing that I want to bring up, I don’t know if you saw on your inner chamber or if you have one of the new ones. We just over the last like, year have been putting an inscription on it. Does yours have an inscription? Yes. Do you can you read it allow for

attention. Never, ever measure your worth by these ounces. Always remember what you’ve accomplished and how powerful you are.

Because to our point, it’s like, you know, so many moms are like, I don’t know, if I’m going to be able to make all the bottles today I tried really hard, but a meeting got in the way or you just start to dry up like stress or dehydration or your baby’s not nursing as much and they actually don’t need as much and you blame yourself and so many women are like, well, if I don’t fill my chiller, or if I don’t fill this cooler, then you know, what’s my worth? And it’s just really important that we don’t do that to ourselves. It’s just

totally I used to get pissed because lefty was always like a little bit of a producer. And I’m like, I know what’s the inverted nipple? You know, I had a double mastectomy now, so they’re both perky. But, you know, the like, at the time like what, like what is wrong with you? Like, come on, get it. You know, get it together.

Everybody has a slacker boob and a rock star, boom, I’ve never met anyone that’s like, even Steven, like everybody’s rockin it here. It’s

crazy. But I mean, the killer one, like I love the versatility of it. Right? So, one, when you’re a nursing and pumping mom, it serves the purpose of milk. And then I want to talk about the part I just asked you about at the beginning about stage two of this chiller, you know, yeah, we were talking about it this morning. But like, I did a little bit of a, you know, kind of an educational video yesterday, just for parents who want to know like they fill this with ice. And then about a quarter cup of water, right chills.

So you can so two different ways. So talk about versatility. So because moms produce it produce different amounts, because they’re different people or produce different amounts over the course of their breastfeeding journey, you know, a lot in the beginning less as your child wins and you know, starts to eat food, you can put your milk either in here, and it’ll store 27 ounces, and bring the temperature down to a safe temperature or you can put your milk in here. And the convenient thing about either way is you can pump directly into the chiller, so you’re eliminating a bunch of bottles. So this connects to any standard narrow neck flange or any wide Neck Flange with a small adapter and then the MacGyver move is you take the cup, and you flip it over. And now you can pump directly into here, up to seven ounces, which is bigger than most of the bottles that come into the come in, you know, a cooler, so you can double pump. So you’ve got slacker at seven ounces, let’s say and you got 12 ounces here for your rockstar, or you could pump directly I mean, it’s tall enough that you can rest it on your thigh. But if you want to pump directly into here, if you need to do something quick and dirty, you can do that. And then you just reverse where you’re putting the ice your ice is either in here or it’s in here, but you don’t have to remember a freeze pack overnight. And then you can also feed the baby on the go. So the idea is that your partner, a caregiver or a babysitter can take the baby out and you can pour your breast milk or formula into here and then attach any standard nipple here or here depending on how much the baby’s eating and then you can also use your chiller as a bottle warmer. What you do is you put hot water in here and then you can attach any narrow neck baby bottle to your connector and then you just immerse it in the hot water and you can you can heat up to five bottles over the course of 10 hours and then you can either you’re out

and about because yeah like what do I do with this my kids hungry and it’s 42 degrees out and we’re doing Christmas stuff all day like Yeah,

yeah, no, we I know and what I really what really bothers me I don’t know if I’m cheaper practical, Courtney. I’m not sure which and maybe it’s the same boat But so I just it just galls me to have to buy really expensive baby stuff that you already know is headed for the landfill or the trash if you’re lucky Goodwill or secondhand, and you recoup something from it, or somebody else gets us out of it. But I hate that added guilty feeling of destroying the environment and just buying more stuff that is very soon to be trashed, like within a year or two years or three years. So the idea with the chiller is that you enjoy it for the rest of your life. So we have a straw talk with a tea infuser, which I had at my office with because I use it as my water bottle. And then we have our coffee talk that we just came out. So I use this is the demi goddess. This is the smaller version. But I drink tea out of my Demi goddess all day, and then I drink my water out of my chiller. But you this is the thing, Courtney very important to know. For some moms, it could be non alcoholic, certainly coffee, tea, fruit infused water, but you can also chill an entire bottle of wine in less than 20 minutes without diluting it. I’m just saying. I’m just I can’t do that.

I was doing the real yesterday, kind of explaining to people what the chiller is. And then I’m like, I should take this to the beach and high noon or something. Right? Well, I’m sitting on the beach and I could go do you need a drink? Yes.

So my, my dream is that, you know, a mom manages to make it through those first, like hard months. So you can have it sitting on your nightstand. Some moms by mini fridges, I’m sure you know to keep in their room. So they’re not like sneaking past everyone to go to the fridge, especially in the middle of the night in the middle of winter, man, you make that track and you get back to bed for your you know, after you’ve been done pumping, and you’re like I’m awake, I’m awake. And then you fall asleep just in time to wake up for the next pump session or for the baby to cry or whatever to happen. So it’s nice because moms have it sitting right on their nightstand. But the dream is the dream for me. We’ve I’ve been around since 2020. And so we’re getting there is moms use this for multiple kids, for each of their kids. And they have that sense of pride and accomplishment like man, I really did it. Like I managed to exclusively pump or I managed to go back to work or I traveled with you know, my family and I still managed to do this because this but they’re watching their kids like 10 years old 12 years old, playing in the ocean drinking a daiquiri out of their chiller going. Yeah, I did that. Like I did that with this. I am that amazing. Like it just have something nice to remember something. It’s something that’s such a huge accomplishment because I don’t know how you felt about your cooler, but I could not wait to set it on fire. I could not wait.

Gross, dirty know that you’re just like whatever, you know, like, you know, like whatever it is right? Yeah. Peace. See you later, you know, but it

was such a scarlet letter to a mom would see you with that. And it was just so like, oh girl. I remember those days, like everybody knew what it was like everybody knew exactly. And with this, it’s just so cool. Not many women had a happy moment of solidarity with their coolers. But it was really neat. There was one woman returning from a conference. It was a training session for the US Marine Corps in DC. And she was going through the airport at Dulles, you know, when she’s going through security and series tool is designed to make that easy. And we could talk about that more detail. We have a blog post about traveling with breast milk. But anyway, it’s easy, it’s pretty seamless. So she has her chiller out, you know, and in the tray, and another mom sees her. So this woman has like really amazing, I have to say badass Marine who’s there, like for officer training, and this other woman is like coming through security. And she raises her chiller. And she’s like, she’s like, cheers, Mama. And she’s like, cheers to you, you know, grabbed her tiller. And I just think that’s the coolest thing is like it’s so under the radar. But when you know, you know, right, and so yeah, being able to like use it for the rest of your life, not feel like it’s wasted, but also had to have something to hold on to them. Remember how amazing you were in those really challenging months and years. Like, that’s what I want. That’s what I want. Well, and I think to

your point, it grows with you. And it goes with you. Right. So it can be something that to your point remembers, oh, let’s fill it with hot chocolate. Now we’re gonna go ice skating this weekend. And your kids are seven and nine. You know what I mean? So, to your point less than the landfill. The fact is, it’s practical for any age and stage of a new mom who doesn’t want to deal with 95,265 things to try to safely manage the human aspect Given the fact that you have breast milk that has to man, you know, maintain a specific temperature and can’t freeze or, you know, things of that regard as it gets into the fact that it’s milk, you know, so I love I just love it. And I, you know, one of the things that you had shared, which I didn’t, obviously, I’m not doing any sort of nursing now my kids are seven and nine. So we’re past that. But you showed me these at the AAP. And for those that aren’t watching this on a video, like, I had to use a nipple shield with my daughter, because she had a tongue tie, which I didn’t know that tie. And, you know, and I will tell you like trying to get the thing off. On the first time, like, what am I doing? Is this the right size? And how big is my nipple? And you know, I mean, it’s just like, if you don’t know what you’re doing, you don’t know what you’re doing. Get a lactation counselor to help you. Yes. Talk a little bit about this amazing product, because I think you’re the only one on the market. Yes.

And I have a patent. So I have a patent on everything. Because it is original, I figure if I’m not innovating, and somebody else is doing it, let them do it really, really well. But if it doesn’t exist, then Gosh, darn it, I’m going to make sure I’m looking out for the moms because it seems like sometimes unfortunately, nobody else is. So with the nipple shields, I was dependent on that with my daughter to they disappear. moms out there who use them immediately. No, they’re these little wisps of silicone, and they just disappear. And when you need them, you need them like I would I mean, I would wash the sheets and find $1,000 worth of nipple shields. I mean, they’re not expensive, but they are way too expensive, especially with how they disappear. But when you need them, you need them. Like I mean, your child could die of hunger, and you could die of mastitis all within sight of food because when they don’t latch without that, when you’re dependent on it, you are seriously dependent on it. And so ours, that’s always my fun magic trick, like at the AAP at these conferences with all these doctors and lactation consultants is they are brightly colored. Like I have to say a beautiful, awesome, pasty, they look like a flower. But then they go neutral when they are at body temperature. So it doesn’t interfere with your breastfeeding experience. But at room temperature, you can actually find the darn things. So yeah, so I love that because I want this to be the only set that a mom needs. So our our guide is about using them correctly. Because as you said, it can be a lot trickier than it looks and about weaning off of them. And also giving yourself Grace if you don’t wean off them. That’s not the end of the world. But if you can terrific. And if you can’t, you can at least find them when you need them. And then we saw the magic sizing kit again, Courtney, I could go on and on about the way the world fails moms. But if you don’t have a lactation consultant, you I have no idea what size nipples I have. I mean, I still I am in this space. And I do not know the size of my nipples, but we sell a kit that has each of the sizes. So you can try one and hack. Also, one boob maybe one size and the other an entirely different size. I should use technical words breast you have breasts with nipples, but anyway, so. So it’s just nice to have that choice. But Courtney, I know we don’t want to keep everybody but I have to blow your mind before we close. So you were asking me like you know, we were talking about what we were going to talk about and we were catching up because I so admire what you do and it was just nice to catch up. I wanted to save fun surprise for you. So to our point about not contributing to landfills and helping moms enjoy this whole time in their life. I have created my own baby bottle. So this baby bottle is it’s designed to be beautiful. So I don’t know if you can see but it doesn’t look at all institutional. So like most baby bottles, you immediately they scream baby bottle, right? Just like that cooler screams terrible breastfeeding journey. baby bottles are just like they scream long, sleepless nights of like shoving something into a child’s mouth. So um, they’re square so they don’t roll up a table which is like a miracle. It took us this long. On one side ounces are measured with lavender, and on the other side and raised glass. And on the other side milliliters are measured with rosemary. And it has It comes in three colors. So like kind of like a hunter green, like a rose plum and then a nice stone gray. But so baby bottles or baby bottles, right? But the thing is, is when you’re done, you could use that as a flower base. Or you could put the flat cap on it this really nice silicone cap to like store milk in the fridge or anything you want. Or why couldn’t we use it forever for like oil and vinegar? Oh my gosh, I love that. Or why couldn’t we also Use it as a soap and lotion pop.

AP conference I

love I know it’s new. It’s new. So yeah, so you can have these bottles. But I mean, the tricky thing, right is that when you’re between kids, you have one kid, and then you’re like trying for the next or you’re not sure you’re working out. It’s like, you’ve got that whole cupboard of bottles and you’re like, do we put them in the basement in the attic? Do we recycle them? Do we give them away? Do we throw them away? Why not like redistribute them around your house, like have them in the kitchen, have them in the bathroom, like give them away to a friend is like a housewarming present, you know, like with flowers in them or something. So as

you’re showing them like, oh my gosh, I was just looking for this yesterday, I juice because I had like a rare form of stomach matter, they took my stomach out. So I eat food, but I have to eat real food. And I can’t eat anything processed because I don’t have a stomach. So my esophagus and my intestines. They eventually attach and then I you know, a lot of juice, right, and I can eat normal stuff doesn’t matter. I juice a lot. And so yesterday I was juicing celery. And I drink that every morning because it’s like good to kind of just purify your body. And I’m like, dammit, where’s the cup for the thing to put you know, and I years years and years ago bought like juice at a fresh farmer’s market. But I always kept the glass bottles, so free, and they’re similar in size to that. So I fill it all the way up to the top. So there’s like not really a ton of air in there. And then I can put it in the fridge because you have to use it like within 24 hours for some of the benefits. But I do see all kinds of stuff on like beets and apples and oranges. So that’s kind of my start my breakfast with collagen protein and, you know, juice. But it’s like what a cool idea. Like just as a practical like my again, my kids are seven and nine going to be 10 and eight in a few weeks. And it’s like, gosh, what like what can I do with these because the bottles like I love bottles and there’s no shame on like the companies out there that make all these plastic bottles. When they end up in a landfill too. They get gropes like, gross. Like you. There’s only so many times you can wash and sterilize and scrape and scrub and do and throw. And by the end of the time, like you don’t really want to keep them frankly, because they’re gross. Yeah,

yep. Yep, yep. And ours are for acylic class. And so I have dropped them. And I mean, you can see how pretty they are it, especially with the prototype, I was like, I’m like, I can’t bear to break this. It’s so beautiful. And I stood on concrete, and I held it up above my head because it’s supposed to be good for six feet, and I am not six feet 14. And so I held it up above my head, and I let it like crash to the graph and it bounced, and it like held up without the silicone sleeve on it. No silicone sleeve, just pure glass. And I was like, and it bounced off. And I’m like, this thing is a miracle. So it would be perfect for your juice. So I can’t wait to send you some and get used to get some feedback on it. And we have a straw that goes with it to her. Let me find that. So yeah, we have the straw top. So this might work for you. It’s intended to be more of a SIP top for toddlers but I think it could work for you. But someone

without a stomach. I basically eat and drink like a toddler. So CDH one community.

Oh my gosh. Well, um, I so I don’t have any more surprises. I don’t think I mean, not not right now. But next time we talk I bet yeah, well, good. Well

tell people how can they find serious chill? Like, where are you? What are you doing? What are some cool things to look forward to in 2024, that you guys have up your sleeves?

Well, I’m hoping we get to meet up more this year, because we find ourselves at a lot of the same conferences where we find moms and lactation professionals and pediatricians because these are the people that are able to help the most people. And that’s what you and I are both so passionate about. So I’m going to be out and about, but people can find our products on Amazon, and and also on our website series chill.com. Um, but yeah, I’m always looking for ways to help more moms to to help more parents and to be part of the conversation. So I would love to hear from absolutely anyone if they have an idea about how I could do better with these products. In particular, I’m always looking for ways to innovate and learning about the struggles women face going back to work. I mean, you and I have our shared experience. Certainly I hear from moms that they face a lot of the same challenges, but some of the challenges are just really unique, you know, so the more help I can be, the better. I don’t know, I just am really glad to be part of the space and part of the conversation. So yeah, I mean, that was a long answer to your question, but I plan on getting out there and if there’s a place that we should both be I hope that your podcast listeners will let us know and we can appear there together because that will be a lot of fun.

Yeah, no, definitely. And I think to your point, like just advice for anybody listening, give yourself grace and like you It is not easy being a parent, first time, second time, fifth time, like, every kid is going to bring different challenges and surprises, you know, in working with some sleep consultants that I do some business mentoring with yesterday, they said they have to adjust, right. And so we were talking about like words of the year and how some people don’t like them and some people do you like them. And some people feel overwhelmed by having to pick one, you know, and the word that stuck with me yesterday after this call we had was adjust, right? Because I think we all put so much pressure on ourselves as moms as business owners as workers, right? And we don’t adjust. And so I think that is like my amended word of the year it was going to be nurtured. Bring myself but like, Just give yourself grace and adjust if you’re listening to this, and you’re struggling, and certainly least any advice you have for parents because you see them equally as much as I do. And you see the struggle. You know, it’s not all rainbows and butterflies. In the world of social media, I think that can be portrayed sometimes. So adjust and just, you know, know that you’re doing the best you can for your child in that moment. Yeah,

yeah, no, I love that adjust. I’m gonna definitely, definitely gonna breed that in plenty this year. I think and this is what I would say to add on to that is this whole in and out. I hadn’t seen that before. Maybe it’s because I’m more on social media that feels really I guess it’s it’s listening to you talk about adjust. It’s a grace, that in and out, it has such a negative it lands on negative with me, because it makes it feel like there were so many bad things that happened last year. And then you’ve got like all of these like ambitious ends that you’re trying to live into this year. And I think that more adjust is like not saying this is out. This is wrong. That is bad. And this is good. And this is what I need to accomplish this year more of the grace and space to say, this is how we’re going to breathe into these new opportunities and where I hope we’re headed. But if we don’t get there, it’s not the end of the world. It’s not like I fell back into an out or something. No,

absolutely. Absolutely. I’m so excited to spend some time with you and your listeners are certainly going to be excited to we’ll make sure everything is linked in the show notes. Lisa, it is always a pleasure and so amazing to have you on the show. And I’m excited for folks to check out all of the great products you guys are coming to market with because they’re definitely much needed and eagerly anticipated. So thank you

can’t thank you enough, Courtney. Thanks again for by.

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