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Welcome to the kids sleep show, where we help tired parents from around the world to get their children to fall asleep independently, sleep through the night and build healthy sleep habits for life. I’m your host, Courtney Zentz. Now let’s sleep together. All right, Hello, and thank you for jumping back in here, everybody. Courtney Zentz here and I am joined today by a special guest, the founder of wholeheartedly. Danielle Bettman. She is going to talk with us today a little bit more about what she does in the realm of parenting coaching. She is an entrepreneur podcaster. She’s going to talk all about that and most importantly, a parent coach to help families who are struggling in the realm of children that are struggling. That theme is real. It happens in my home sometimes, too. So I want to welcome Danielle and introduce her and allow her to tell you a little bit more about wholeheartedly and parenting wholeheartedly and her mission and what she does in the realm of parents since I know there are a lot of tired parents out there, especially now. So welcome, Danielle, thank you for joining.
Thank you so much. I’m so excited to be here. Yeah, my name is Danielle Bettman. I started my business wholeheartedly, spring of 2018. And it really came out of a place of realizing that what I was doing in classrooms as a teacher is fantastic. But what happens at home is it really wires kids. And that’s where the real work is. And parents are doing the hardest job in the world. But no manual, no training. There’s no one size fits all, there’s no village, there’s no guarantees, like we are just like doing the best we can by the seat of our pants. And it is really, really hard. So I feel like the most meaningful work I can do is just equip parents with more tools to be able to better understand their kids and their development to be able to really feel more confident that they know what they’re doing, and to get on the same page as their spouse because that’s a whole nother dynamic. That’s a challenge with especially with some of those strong willed kids that have big emotions and big behaviors, and we just don’t know what to do with them. So yeah, I do parent coaching one on one, virtually. And then I have a podcast as well. So
yeah, awesome. Well tell us I mean, we’re out here on the podcast, we’re sharing this out in our group. Tell me a little bit more about the podcast. I know that a lot of times it’s about failing motherhood, right. Like, tell us a little bit about that. Because I think, you know, personally, as a mom, like, I have two kids. I’m an entrepreneur, I work full time, and I’m in the middle of quarantine right now. So I think we’re all trying to balance and not feel like a total failure. I had one epic meltdown probably a week and a half ago, and totally felt like hell for a bit afterwards. Because I raised my voice. They weren’t listening. And you know, then you get them on Guild. And I think we’ve all been there. So
yes, we’ve all been there about the
podcast. And you know, I mean, even on a personal level, like where have you as someone who does this for a living, but then also is managing the realities of life? kind of see, like, with the podcast, failing parenting, like, what what is it? You know, encompass? Tell us a little bit more about that. And you know, what your goal is to do there as well, because I think normalizing the fact that like we’re not all perfect, is super refreshing at a time right now.
Yes, exactly. So yeah, the podcast is called baling motherhood, it’s on all the podcast platform places, you can find it in about 11 episodes. And now, but it came from a place of doing lots of anonymous surveys with moms that I was in contact with, and asking them what their big fears were, and what are the things that they don’t feel like they can admit, you know, to another mom, and all centered back to this idea of feeling like they’re failing, and feeling like they’re screwing this whole parenting thing up and feeling like they’re screwing up their kids, when they lose their temper, and just really feeling so much guilt about that, but also feeling like they’re the only one. And when I was just, you know, putting all of these responses together, and I was just like, well, you need to talk to her because you guys are doing the same thing. And like, we need to talk about this more, because it’s not okay to feel like you’re the only one and have that shame and that stigma. And, you know, when you feel that way about yourself as a mom, it’s not gonna serve your kids, you’re not able to overflow and show up at all like the way that you want to be. And you’re definitely not going to feel safe enough to ask for help if that’s what you really need. And so I just wanted to be able to share interviews with moms that are going to be real and are going to share the vulnerable pieces of here’s where I screwed up. Here’s where I really feel guilty. Here’s where I felt like a complete failure as a mom, and here’s what I learned. And here’s how I’ve grown and I just feel like it. It is something that we need to be talking about. That way we normalize that feeling. And we, you know, take everybody else off of the pedestals, we put them on being the perfect mom, because that just doesn’t exist. It’s not a goal to even desire. But instead, I wanted the end. And Moral of the story from every episode to be driving home the point that you are the mom, that’s right for your kids. And every guests that I have on, I asked them, How are they the mom for their kids, and everybody has a different answer. And that’s why it’s so beautiful is like we have the connection with our kids that only us have, we’re the only ones that know them like we do. And we are the experts of them. And we have like that mama instinct that, you know, you can’t drum up from anywhere. It’s just like our own special thing. And when we embrace that, we can then grow from there and build and take on more tools to be able to really feel like we’re communicating and the way we want to be we have the culture in our home we want to have and we’re able to, you know, show up every day in a way that doesn’t make us stay up all night ruminating on how much we suck.
I totally feel like I said I was on vacation with in my career, you don’t really get to take vacation because you’re always supporting someone, right? So I try to take two weeks a year, the week of Fourth of July and the week of Christmas and take off and I do it the best I can I try to structure we’re not taking on new clients and such but I always have some sort of an overlap. And I literally needed one hour like I’ve one call at one o’clock actually was one of my team members who’s a consultant under me. So it wasn’t even with a client it was with one of my team members. And I asked my kids for an hour and they didn’t give it to me. They were not listening. It was like one of the afternoon like you just say we went to the beach like you’ve had a great day so far. Right? Give me one hour like go do anything just like quiet for hours. Didn’t and I lost my mind. And it went from like zero to 100. And I I was so embarrassed because I mean, I was alone, but I was like so embarrassed that like I let it get to that level. Yeah, at the same time. I was like, You know what, like, I cried for probably 20 minutes. I told my consultant like I was like, like, I’m having an off day like I like I just we’ve all been there. We’re all going through all this stress with COVID it’s the reality of life right now. She totally gets it you know, and and she’s like, when you give yourself grace man, like it’s okay. And I like cried it out. And I was like, I’m better than this. I got this, like, I’m going to be a mom boss, I’m going to be an entrepreneur on the enjoy vacation. We’re going to get ice cream, you know, and I kind of just had this epiphany that like, I don’t know, like I needed to change something with my boundaries or my mindset and the way I was handling things. So I did I actually started time blocking, which if you’ve never done that before my business coach Kelly Roach is amazing. She time blocks. So I literally started time blocking. I always time blocked just like what I do when and that just gave me control back because I didn’t feel that all over the place. And I Friday went to the beach with my kids. And I you know I talked about it in my newsletter. This week, I saw a gentleman have a heart attack 10 feet in front of me on the beach. He was 46 years old. I actually found out yesterday cuz it’s six degrees of separation and somebody else is on the beach with us. works with somebody who knew him and happen to bring it up. And like 10 feet in front of us heart attack drops dead. My kids are there. I’ve no idea what’s going on. There’s ambulances all over we’re grabbing them trying to like kind of walk away. My son’s trying to figure out what’s up my daughter, she’s four, she doesn’t really know. But, you know, I tried to explain to him like somebody’s sick, like without freaking him out because the guy was in the water and trying to get out and just had a massive heart attack. And it’s left this impression like that was the day after I yelled at my kids. And I’m like, What am I doing? Like, it’s okay to feel bad that you did that, right? Like I said to my kids, guys, I’m going to try my best but I need you to try your best to listen like and here’s the expectations around like, if you want to do this, it’s going to look like this right? And I now have Velcro chirps like you’re not doing this till we do this, right? So I kind of took control the situation tried to build some structure around it. And at the same time reset that, like, I’m human, I have bad days, but like I just saw a guy die like I’d like like life can always be worse, you know? So, yeah, balance, like that impact that had and just, you know, trying to be more present with my kids than the past couple of days. And really just like that. It’s a crazy world right now. I think we’re all feeling a little bit overwhelmed with all of this. And like each of those scenarios, I feel like God puts in your kind of path to say like, you know what, Courtney like, life can always be a little harder, right? Here’s this situation and it’s sort of just like a reset for me to be like, oh, okay, like, you know, life’s alright. And I’m sorry, I yelled at it. We’ll get past it. So, yeah, well, no, I think it’s just like we’re also stressed and I think you know, to your point like the spousal support of like, how you feel I know as a parent, I just wrote an article this morning for a news outlet and and, you know, they were talking about, you know, just overall like mom carrying a burden, right, like they’re carrying this burden and like, we have to be perfect and we have to cook the meal. And clean the house and work and provide and support and B, the B, the B, the B, the B, you know what I’m like, man, like, this is a hard job. My husband I are very good at like co parenting, but not all spouses are on board, you know? And so I’d love your thoughts on like, when you work with families, and you know, you may be listening to this and things like how I got it right, and then you’re like, when my spouse is gonna have nothing to do with this?
Right? Yeah.
What do you do in that situation? Like how, as an expert, do you combat that, that feeling those thoughts? Like the competing agendas around like, what you feel is necessary versus like, it’ll work itself out? Like,
how do you? Yeah, it’s so common, that every every marriage or co parenting relationship is some sort of an opposites attract, you know, dynamic. And so that’s going to create that bad cop, good cop, you know, struggle. And we come into parenting, with only the instincts we have of how we were parented. And we don’t really acknowledge that, because we just think that we have all the tools, and we should just know what to do. But that’s not how it works. Like, actually, our kids come into our life, and then teach us a lot of what we need to continue to learn and grow in. Because it’s not like we come to this level of full enlightenment, then we have kids to pass it on to it’s like, No, we are on a journey of growing with them. And if we have the humility to kind of take that backseat in some ways we can really grow to be the person that we want to be modeling for them. But it’s definitely a journey. And you know, both sides of that dynamic need to be on board with that idea. But I think the way that I have found a lot of success with with working with my clients, is taking a step back zooming out completely, and looking at it with like a business perspective. So I walk my clients through creating and writing a family business plan. And that idea of a business plan is taking the same level of intentionality that you would bring if you guys were going into business together to say, Well, what do we really want? And what are our core values? And how are we spending our time and money? And what’s different about our personalities of how we’re going to kind of infuse that into what our family looks like? And how do we get really clear and confident about that. So that we know, this is why we’re making these decisions. And this is how it’s gonna look. And this is what really, really matters to us at the end of this whole thing, because we can get so bogged down in the current phase of potty training, or whatever it is that we’re dealing with date on the day to day basis that we don’t even have a idea what 15 years will look like down the road. But we need that to kind of zoom out, create the vision for that, and then create a directory to get there that makes sense to what we’re doing now. And so when I take couples through that, we talk about how you know why the behaviors you’re seeing and your child triggers you so much. And you know, how you’re looking at that with like a different lens than the other spouse and how you both want what’s best for your kids, you’re just seeing different ways of getting there. And how do we give each other more of the benefit of the doubt in that? And then how do we actually create some, like shared language and values that you both make sense to you? So I have them identify like top 10 characteristics they really want their kids to be and like rate them from one to 10? And then say, Okay, if that’s true, then what is that? How does that change? You know, what we do today? And tomorrow? Like, how can how can we really get better at those things, ourselves? And how can we infuse them into little teaching moments and, and when you start to really get a plan together to like together, then you start to really see how you can back each other up and you know, have each other’s back in the moment. And you know, when you’re especially if you’re working with a parent coach, you’re both hearing the same thing at the same time, which really helps to then create a cohesive strategy of this is the best way that reacting to this behavior works for this child, because it is very individual, to whatever their personality is, and whatever their struggles are. And it helps to really have a big picture idea of what are their needs? Where are we missing the gap? And where is there a miscommunication in our family style that’s really kind of creating all of these problems. So yeah, it’s it’s multi layered, but it’s really important to figure out,
I’m curious from like, a support standpoint. So like, when I work privately with clients, it’s typically over the course of you know, several weeks, I have other programs that go throughout a whole year, like what is the typical, I’m gonna say like turnaround, but like if a mom or dad were speaking about, like wanting to do this, like what does it look like? Right? Is it a one time session? Is there kind of ongoing coaching? Like I know, every coach kind of does things a little bit differently. So I’d love to learn a little bit more about what that looks like for parents to expect, like, you know, starting to see those changes in their own family dynamic, you know,
yeah, yeah, great question. So every family starts with an initial consultation with me, that’s really two parts. The first one is all information gathering, helping me get on the same page with all the backstory, all of the things, you’ve tried everything about what’s affecting your ability to parent, because it’s so you know, having to do with everything else in life. And so I’ll ask about the home environmental ask about work, I’ll ask about all the things. And then that helps me get a good picture of what I feel like is missing and what I would recommend. And that’s the part two is where I kind of lay out, okay, if these are the prerequisites to this, and here’s the strategy that it really think is going to work for this child versus this child. But then once you have that plan, that’s really only the first step because then the actual implementation of it is the good stuff. And I right now I have it where services can go month to month, but I’m probably going to change that soon to be able to create a little bit more of a package that encompasses the full, you know, transformation. But I really do liken it to marriage counseling or therapy, where it is no one size fits all. And it definitely can’t happen in just one session. But it builds and I would say the average client that works with me twice a month, is going to see really powerful results within three months. And that’s really the amount of time it takes to let all of these things kind of sink in to a place beyond your conscious mind that you start to kind of rewire your initial instinct and you, you know, get a lot more comfortable with some new strategies. And then we have, you know, done the six hole, six modules of the family business plan. So you have a family mission statement, and you have all of these other takeaway pieces that are very concrete for you to kind of have that foundation to build on. And, you know, you can always, of course, probably continue to tweak the new behaviors and problems that come up, because they are they will inevitably, but that’s what gets you to a place of really feeling a lot more confident in your own abilities to figure those things out as they come. So that and I have a accountabilities and support app between those two sessions each month, that allows us to stay in touch and have an ongoing communication thread, and have like a little homework list to check off in between sessions. And that’s you just use Google Keep for that. But that allows us to really keep building and working between the two weeks that we’re not, you know, face to face.
Cool. I love it. That’s awesome. Now, tell me a little bit about because I work a lot with babies. I mean, I support, you know, kind of kids zero through adolescence. But a lot of my work is frankly new moms, babies kind of under the age of like four is probably 80% of the clients I work with. So I’d love your thoughts, because I know that one of the things that you provide is services for changing behavior. And kids his youngest one, right, like, I think, to me, that was something where I was like, that’s fascinating, because I know that when I work with families between 12 and 18 months, there’s definitely the behavior based shifts or adjustments around sleep changes, right? It’s the behavior, not the it’s not just the training, it’s they prefer this behavior. And that behavior is only going to come with this protest. Upset fight, right. So there’s definitely the aspect of the age of one even such a young age where they understand cognitively what you’re doing. And then they also know how to push your buttons and do it between different parents and stuff. And I see it from a sleep component right around bedtimes and overnights and naps and all that. Yeah, same even with daycare, like daycare, your kids beautiful, and they come home and it’s dumpster fire. It’s like, Oh, you know what’s going on? So your thoughts on that around just because I was so fascinated that you said like, Hey, I work with, you know, children as young as one to make these changes in the home. Like, tell us a little bit more about that. especially the younger, you know, the younger age, how receptive they are to it.
Yeah, yeah,
that one too to change. It’s like they go from being your sweet little baby, and they go to sleep. And then the next morning, all of a sudden, they’re a toddler. And it’s like this, they just flip the switch. And you’re like, Where did my baby go. And that’s, that can be a shock, especially for first time parents because it’s like, I don’t even know what I’m dealing with. This is a whole new world. But there’s so much growth that’s happening, you know, 90% of all the neuron connections that happen in a child’s brain happened before they age five. So they are just like, on fire, you know, learning and picking up words and information and putting it all together and feeling figuring out how to manipulate their world to get their needs met. So they’re getting really good at that and finding their own voice and around 18 months, they’re starting to realize that they are a step completely separate identity from their parents, and they’re trying to test that and figure out where that boundary lies. And all of that is healthy development. So it’s really important to be able to understand the language that’s happening and how much they’re under. Standing in what is normal, you know, for that age to be able to then know, well, what’s a red flag if they’re not doing it by a certain point? And, you know, where do I need to step in? And how do I redirect them and do timeouts work at that age? And there’s so many questions that families are struggling with. And that changed from from one to two. So the youngest client that I’ve worked with had just turned 13 month old twins. And they reached out because they, they felt all that wave of questions, and they’re like, we need answers. And we really do want to get this right. So like, please help. And so we worked together for several months. And it was really just like a, you know, here’s a new behavior we’re seeing, what is the background on that? Like, why is why are they doing that? And how do we, you know, react? And what does it matter long term? And like, how do we, you know, kind of do the same thing, create some consistency, and, and there’s so much value in, in starting young, because anytime you create bad habits, they’re 10 times harder to break, the longer they go on. And so if you do start, you know, getting into these patterns of, of letting things slip past a place that you would like them to, or just getting into really ugly, you know, interactions, it’s only going to get harder, the more that they’re, you know, a conscious participant in that interaction. So being able to start young with really understanding them well, and being able to speak and communicate in a way that makes sense to them, and then really be able to set them up for success by understanding what’s all going on in their brain and how to really kind of get on the forefront of that and proactively set them up for success, then your relationship within them is going to be so much more connected as they grow up. And that only helps breed, you know, the good behavior that we want to see when we’re really feeling like we get them. So I think that that really does start young. But you know, how how families can be when it’s survival mode, you may not only reach out for help, you know, years down the road when things have gotten really, really hard. But you know, you and I both know, earlier, the better for sure.
Sure. I know. Just in the recent you know, with kids being home, they don’t understand that like I’m home, but I’m working right and my husband’s Yeah, working like he’s actually in the office, he had like two or three weeks where they staggered but he’s been gone. Now I’m like home at homeschooling in trying to work and you know, and one of the things I recognized was that I wasn’t I was here, I was here from five in the morning until eight o’clock at night, but I wasn’t present. So they thought, you know, mommy’s home, let’s go party. Let’s go swimming. Let’s go for a hike. I want to play let’s play Legos or paint or whatever. Like just trying to survive and jump on another zoom or we’re gonna spend an hour doing show and tell the nobody cares about. So like, for me, like I was there and I felt like I’m there. I’m there all day, or about, you know, I’m like, Oh, my gosh, I’m not present with you. Like the reason you’re acting out is one. This is scary for you like your whole world upside down as adults. We know what’s going on as kids they don’t, right. Yeah. And then I’m not spending any quality time with you. You’re basically like I’m shoving some food down your throat. I’m throwing in front of zoom or some self learning activities while I work. You’re playing in the playroom, right? And then it’s dinner, dad comes flying. Everybody eats. Let’s watch a show. Or maybe we’ll play a game as a family. And then you’re going to bed. I’ll read you a book. Good night, right? Yeah, it’s like, man, I am not spending any quality time with them. And that was a big, like, eye opener for me kind of midway through COVID. Like, why is my daughter like, so? Awful right now, you know? And she’s only four. And I’m like, oh, like, you know, my son kind of gets What’s going on? My daughter didn’t. And it was like, I’m not spending any time with you by I’m here. I’m not present at all. So I made the commitment that like every day it’s and it’s only 15 minutes. I’m being honest, like 15 minutes, you get 15 minutes, you get 15 minutes, I will find 30 minutes somewhere in my day. One of you I may tackle in the morning, one of you I may tackle at night. It may look different, right? We track date nights, every two weeks we do a date night so that my husband does this actually it’s not me. So my husband every two weeks takes my son or my daughter on a date night. They’re just the two of them. They get to pick where they go my son went mini golfing and then my daughter wanted to go to Outback which is weird because we don’t go to Outback so I don’t know she wanted to go to a restaurant and my husband chose Outback. So that was like her date. I know their first date night they did my husband went they went to a painting pottery place and he’s like, of course, pensive $70 unicorn piggy bank, but he’s like, whatever, you know, pick whatever you want. But it’s been really cool because they look forward to the date night. It’s time with just my husband and them. Not mommy right as long as always around trying to do stuff and I’m more fun frankly. Right. You know But I started to say like, Okay, well, I’m gonna be present 15 minutes a day for each kid my husband does date night every two weeks. And then as a family, we try to be mindful of doing like walks and swimming together and playing baseball and kickball and stuff. But, but it’s hard, you know. So for me to ask you to change, like, even 15 minutes a day for each kid is such a drastic improvement in and I call it out, this is mommy and savella time. Yeah, it’s in mommy time, you know, and they totally dig it. You know, they get to guide whatever the activity is we’re doing and, you know, maybe I don’t feel like doing it some days, but whatever, like you suck it up as your parenting pants. And so that’s been super helpful for, you know, for us as a family, you know, any other tips or guidance from your perspective as an expert in this field? Like, yeah, if I said, What’s one thing that a parent could do today to like, start, right? Where do they where do they start? What what’s the, you know, something you can suggest or advise?
Yeah, that would actually be one of my top three that I prescribe on almost every client’s plan is having 15 minutes of that uninterrupted one on one to quality time with our kids, because that is that is their crack, that is the thing that they live for. Right. And that really does matter in the long run, if it’s especially a time that they know is non negotiable. And on the calendar that they can look forward to like that anticipation is almost half the half the battle of you know, even having it in the first place. So that would definitely be a huge number one, so good job.
You’re nothing, no, not this time.
And another big one is really just how much we’re taking care of ourselves right now. Because that old adage of you know, he can’t pour from an empty cup is 10 times more important when we are feeling the added anxiety and stress of this pandemic is well, and we’re under so much pressure, and we’re really in that pressure cooker. But our vibe is what our kids are picking up on. And it’s so much more important of the how we’re living our day to day by example than it is what we’re saying, and especially when we’re micromanaging. So it’s so much more important to put the energy into how am I being today, and how can I set myself up for success and taking the time to not be guilty, you know, for the self care that you’re you’re able to do or really just prioritizing, setting your day off right on the right foot by, you know, trying to have maybe 15 minutes of alone time in the morning to read or to meditate or to listen to a podcast or just do something that fills you up a little bit. Because it It matters so much when I go, you know, have my kids wake up. And I can just feel the difference of like, feeling more full, like in my heart of like wanting to look forward to seeing them and being able to have the energy to push through when they immediately throw a tantrum for some reason. Like we need to, you know, build up our reserve for that. So I focus a lot on how parents are doing with just the stress of life and taking care of themselves and knowing that prioritizing their mental health does benefit their kids mental health in huge, huge ways. And as long as we know we’re doing it for our kids, then it somehow feels better that we can do it for ourselves. Because we’re not always first on our list. But that’s another huge way where you’re going to see your patients grow, you know, the more that you prioritize that. So the quality time and the you know, self care for own mental health are huge. And then just really having empathy and grace for our kids are having a hard time. And they’re not having a hard time because of us and they’re not having a hard time, you know, at us, like it’s not about us at all. It’s like their own thing, just like we’re having our own thing right now. And if we can see that for what it is and give them grace that they’re trying the best that they can to handle this, you know, unprecedented time without their friends and without this normalcy. And you know, just know, like, they’re going to act up more, they’re going to have meltdowns, they’re going to be more clingy and have you know, separation anxiety come out of nowhere, and like that is normal right now. And if we expect it, then it won’t feel as overwhelming when we hit that helpless point of being like, well, I don’t know what to do about this. Like, that’s when we really spiral out of controls when we feel that loss of control. But just knowing that that’s normal, knowing that it’s okay, and we’re all gonna make it through. But just, you know, continuing to look for the good of you know, what’s working and what we can be thankful for is going to be the rock that that gets us through these hard times.
Perfect, I love it. I appreciate it. Tell everybody a little bit more about where they can find you. I’m so glad you were able to come on today. So social media, I’ll pop some information here in the In this string as well, but you know, tell folks who are listening where they can find and follow you because I love it. I’m hooking and driver to the podcast. So
I love it. Yay. Yeah. So you can find failing motherhood anywhere you listen to podcasts. But my website is parenting wholeheartedly.com. And that’s where you can find any other, you know, information about me and more about coaching and things like that. But I do have a freebie, if you go to parenting wholeheartedly.com slash emotions, you can download a workbook that’s five pages more about what to do in that moment of the big emotions and how to get your kids back to calm, and I have a little printable you can use with them to take them through these five steps. So definitely get that if you’re experiencing any of the big emotions at your house. But then I’m on Instagram at parent underscore wholeheartedly, and Facebook Of course, as well. wholeheartedly, Omaha is where you can find me. So yeah, I would love to connect and help if if, I mean, I know things aren’t going super great, which is why we have the podcast. But if you’re at a place where you can prioritize, you know, seeking out some help, I would love to be there for you.
Awesome, I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Have an awesome rest of the day, stay healthy. And I look forward to connect and staying in touch and appreciate you jumping on today.
Sounds great. Thanks, Courtney.
Alright, thanks. Bye for now. Bye. Hold on. One more thing before you go. As a valued listener of the kids sleep show, I want to help you build a great sleeper not just in the times you’re listening to the show. But all day every day. Every week of the year. I have a new Facebook group called slumber Made Simple. It’s a place together with other parents looking for sleep support, laughs and the latest in sleep research to build a family that is rested and at their best day in and day out. If you want to be part of the community where you can get free sleep support, weekly training sessions, unbelievable fun tips and so much more. Head on over to tiny transitions.com forward slash community. That’s tiny transitions.com forward slash community or head over to Facebook and search slumber Made Simple. drop me a note and let me know when you join. I can’t wait to see you there.