Episode 119: An Interview with Prince Lionheart CEO – Kelly McConnell on the Products all Parents Need & Why Prince Lionheart is so special ❤️

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Welcome to the kids sleep show where we help tired children to fall asleep independently sleep through the night and build healthy sleep habits for Life. I’m your host, Courtney Zentz. Now let’s sleep together. Hey, everyone. Welcome to this week’s episode of the Kids sleep show. I am joined today by Kelly McConnell, who is from Prince Lionheart, I’m going to turn it over to her to introduce herself and we’ve got a great episode today talking all about the products that you didn’t know you needed from Prince Lionheart. So Kelly, it’s nice to meet you. Thank you for being on the show.

Hi, Courtney. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Yeah, so Prince Lionheart is is my family’s business. It was started in 1973, which makes it 50 years old this year, which is kind of cool. But to start my my parents and my grandparents garage in Glendale, California. And they started my dad actually went to UCLA business school, and he was the only student who didn’t apply for a job because he never wanted to work for anyone. So my grandma thought he was nuts and told him to go out and get a real job. But he tried lots of different things before he stumbled upon wooden rocking horses, that he would hand cut, and my mom would hand decorate. And I remember it was, I think he was, he had one under each arm, heading up the elevator at Bullock’s to meet the buyer. And they were sold before he got to her floor. So he thought, well, maybe I’m onto something. And this is after selling pantyhose and brewing beer in his bathtub. He finally stumbled upon something that he thought might sticks. So 50 years later, and we are still family owned family operated. We still manufacture in California, we’ve moved on since the garage, but we actually have a pretty awesome injection molding facility in Santa Maria, California. And we do thermoform injection molded thermos set and then some CNC work. So we believe if we make it a home, we all make it at home. And we actually do. We use our unutilized machine time to help other companies who want to make it at home as well. So it’s kind of cool. We’re all involved in the company, my brother, myself, my mom has always she stayed home to raise us, but she’s always been getting input from day one. And then my dad, he’s a consummate tinkerer, he’s super innovative, has like, hundreds of patents. And so yeah, so we’re all we’re all part of it, but it’s a family owned family operated. It’s a third sibling in our family and just way of life for us. We love it.

It’s awesome. And I was gonna say I stumbled upon it after having my son Max, which is eight years ago now. And you know, now doing the work that I do, obviously, the space is so interesting, you know, as you and I were talking before the episode, like you didn’t know what you didn’t know, right? You’re coming in as a new parent going, Okay, I need to register, right, the first thing you do after you find out you’re pregnant is registered, like I mean, call the doctor, and I’m gonna register. And the products that you sell, are so essential, right. And some of them like I said, you didn’t even know that you needed, you know, as far as just managing the house, right? So I think talk about to your point, starting with, where you were and where you are now, like, what shapes what you do and what you sell, and like talk a little bit about the product line as it’s evolved over 50 years.

Sure. So as a family business, I think are super super powers, our product development and innovation. So we don’t go outside for third party ideas. We have more ideas than we have time to execute on. And that’s just always been kind of our our superpower. So truly, I mean, I this is the job I’ve had for life. I graduated from college and moved to London to set up a company. And it was already in Europe on the continent, but not in the UK. So I set it up as a 22 year old who was really too ignorant to be afraid. And I did everything and became a forklift driver, I figured out a warehouse I drove a giant white van extended wheelbase with no rear rear view mirror on the wrong side of the car on the wrong side of the road stick shift. And it was like there was a name from white van man and I was a white van chick and everyone hates white van men in England. But it was just one of those things where I treated it like a startup even though we had a parent company. And it was amazing. And I felt like without having kids. I didn’t have street cred once I had kids, I realized what inspired my parents to develop the products they did because when my son was born, he inspired at least a dozen products in the first year he was born as a mom, I then realized that if I didn’t use a prince Lionheart product, we actually stopped making them. Because I’m like, if I’m gonna use our own products, why would we even ask other people to do so. So having kids of our own, my brother and myself really continue that kind of legacy of our product innovation. And as I said, I think my son was responsible for inspiring about a dozen products. And then I’ve got two little ones that to this day continue inspiring us for product innovation. I think what’s changed from 50 years ago till today, we still as I said Uh, you know, we manufacture our products under our own roof. And that is huge because for us, safety is 100%, front and foremost priority, sometimes. And we do work with outside suppliers as well. But sometimes that can get away from you. And they’re different reasons and being a family owned business. What I have seen consistently across my 23 years doing what I do, is there a lot of kind of interesting decisions that are made when shareholders are involved, right, some short term versus long term, but because this is a family business, and when we plan for third generation, we answer to a good night’s sleep. And that’s something that we say on our website, right? We don’t do things for necessarily short term success, we do them for long term vision. And so for us, our products, wow, when people get them home, I’ve been asked by certain big brands, everyone would know if I mentioned them to private label for them. And I’ve kind of said, Okay, let’s think you know, what do you have in mind, and they give us the product and they say, basically, package poo. And I’m like, what? And they’re like, Yeah, packaged poop is we just need to tick the box. I’m like, we don’t do that even our good, better, best, right? It’s like our good is way better than your private label ever will be or that that you want it to be. And so we’ve seen a lot I would say that consign her, because of our attention to safety, and detail, we really put the love in the details. And that’s what we’ve done from day one. So whether it was I still have the handmade, wooden rocking horse that my parents made one of the first they gave it to me, I mean, prints line art was was born before I was. And so they gave it to me, and it says Merry Christmas love mom and dad on the bottom of it. And it’s sitting in my office. And it’s amazing. My brother has his barrel chested horse as well. That same attention and details have it remains true to this day. We’ve certainly evolved, like my dad created the first seat saver, which protects the car’s upholstery from the heavy car seats, right. And that was done in 1980. And in my office, I have a picture of me as the kid on the box. I remember the photoshoot to this day where they gave me the ice cream cone. And they said hair fell and I’m like, Oh, great. And then they smashed it on mat. And they’re taking pictures. I’m like, What was that about? You know, like already, right? But it featured the aspects of the seat saver. And so that product has evolved with the times because now we have latched and ISOFIX. And so so that, you know, just the other day, I was making a video outside because I use that product. And as I said today, you know, 50 years later, if I don’t use it, we don’t make it. And so I have those in my car, they protect my upholstery, they do so for you know, the eight years that my kids are in car seats, and they’ve just evolved with the time so they have the latch, they have the ISOFIX compatibility, you know, we made one specifically for Tesla cars, because they have funky headrests, you know. So that’s, that’s kind of, I guess, you know, really what captures us in our product development and how times have changed. Like, the one thing I remember during the recession I was showing at the Kinder Morgan show in Germany, and I saw all these like titans in their industry, like crumbling, right. And some people were having to have their original founders come back because some big company had bought them. And they were just like going in a downward spiral. And then others, you know, the product innovation was changing colors, changing lines, and that was it. And others were, you know, having a hard time and I just thought, why are we still here? Like, why? Why is my family’s humble company still here. And you know, at the ripe old age of whatever I was 28, then I thought you know what, it’s because we answer to a good night’s sleep, right? We don’t have shareholders, we’re making short term decisions. And we have these values that we were raised with, that we live by, and that have managed to keep us on a consistent path. We are the largest, we are the smallest, but we’ve we’ve you know, we’re true, we’re true to ourselves, we’re true. It’s not just our products on a shelf, it’s our family’s name on a shelf. And I think that’s what I love about doing what I do is because we get to live our values through our products, and we get to solve real pain points that I face as a mom in our products for their families, and we get to now do so kind of on a global level, you know, with with our, our direct offices, because we realized that we heard the horror stories about, you know, like, Graco, they had to rebuy their, their company, in France from a distributor, I didn’t want to do that. So we have our own person, you know, we have our own humble office there. We have our own, you know, team, because we’re just in it for longer growth. And so, you know, we’ve we’ve been successful in terms of very awesome track record, because safety is first and foremost. And when you do focus on that, you tend to have fewer problems. You know, we see some of these incubators come along, and we go, that’s great idea, but they’re gonna have problems you know, so it’s, it’s been an interesting ride. I mean, it’s been my, it’s what my family loves to do. And so we’re still at it, and I don’t think I’d do anything differently.

And it’s it’s cool to hear too, because it’s funny, I just took the faucet extender off because my daughter’s yeah No, but she’s like 37 pounds. And she’s like, When am I gonna get to 40? You know, so when I know,

your daughter’s six and 37 pounds, my son’s two and 37 pounds? Yeah. He’s like

this, like, When can I get a booster, you know? And I laugh like, sorry. So they’ll all like you, you know, you gotta keep eating your protein, you know? Yeah. But she can now reach the sink. So she doesn’t need the extender anymore. So we just took it off. But it lasted six years and three houses. You know, but it’s just it’s it’s so fascinating. Because the you had mentioned a couple of things, right? Quality. Yeah, it’s not about the immediate growth. It’s I see companies to this day where it’s like, they’re bought by some private equity. And they just don’t understand the baby space. And they flush it down the toilet. Yeah, now, and even with sleep coaching, like there’s a million sleep coaches out there, you know what, like, I’m probably on the more expensive side, but you get what you pay for quality, consistency, access, right, like, and I feel like it’s a similar story with you as far as the products go, right. Like, there’s so much stuff that could be added into shortchange in the moment, right. Yeah, that’s true. Making the decision as a company to stand true to your values over the short term gain of monetary or, you know, market share, or whatever. It’s that I think that that stands the test of time, hence, 50 years, right? Because you’ve got so many amazing products, I talk about some of the different products, right, because again, as a new parent, I kind of showed up at the time when like babies Ross was still around, okay, and I had the gun and I was like, Alright, I need diaper cream. And I just like, thought it was like a, I felt like Supermarket Sweep. If you grew up in, of course, I would just run around the store electrode and everything. Yeah. And I didn’t know what I didn’t know. And I didn’t know what I needed. I didn’t need like, what are some of the best things that you sell that parents are like, Yes, I need this like, Yeah, sure. A little bit about that.

Yeah, well, um, so as I said, I don’t we don’t make products that I don’t use. And some of my go twos, like, if I find out a friend’s pregnant or something, I will do a tobacco gift basket and fill it with all my favorites. And that’s basically what I’ve done with some of the gift basket options on our site. They’re all handpicked by me. Because I’ve used them, I love them. And I want my my friends and family to use them too. So like the table, let’s start with that one. That’s, that’s usable from birth. I love it. Because it is so many of the bathtubs for babies, you toss them after six months, right? They’re odd. A lot of them are, you know, formed with like odd things, right? And the plugs on the bottom. And it’s like, what are you going to do with this, you can’t even use it as a cooler, you know, at a party one day because it’s just like weird. And so I was I just determined to have a baby bath not end up in the landfill after six months. And so I created the terminal and the terminal is a beautifully shaped bath. I just phone call came in sorry, beautifully shaped tub that has a I call it the butt plug right and back where it once it’s filled with water all the others you can’t remove the water because it’s on the base of the tub. This one is like little tail and you just slip it and it totally unloads quickly. Being raised in California. I grew up most of my life during a drought. And so it feels fast. It feels so fast, that when you empty a fully filled tumble into a standard bath, it’s one inch of water. So in California, that’s massive, right. And it’s usually about kind of dinnertime. And so you don’t want a full tub running while you’re trying to like multitask. So I love that product because you can use it from birth all the way my four year old and my two year old were upstairs with me this morning in it. And I used it with my older son until he was five. And he loved it. Even though he was big enough to sit in a standard tub. He loved it because he felt safe, secure and there was no like slipping and sliding and hitting his head. So that’s first and foremost. There are certain stores who do parenting classes who only sell the tobacco because it prevents the startle reflex. And so they love it because my babies have never cried during a bath. They love it. I call it spa day. Because they’re warm. They’re secure. They’re comfortable. I even use it dry. And like opening stockings Christmas morning when we had a little one and we have older ones too. The little one was reclining in her in her bath in the little hammock that comes with it for newborns. Up to 25 pounds and my tank was 37 pounds. He was in it till he was 25 pounds, right? I mean it’s just so high utility that I love it. We’ve taken it to the beach. Love it. So that’s one that people actually say this is the most used baby gift they ever received. And that’s saying a lot because you know how many gifts are given a baby shower, right? So that’s one of my favorites. The slumber bear has been likened to CPR. So that creates the original womb sounds that you’re familiar with the shushing, but this actually wasn’t mentioned 1975 by Dr. William eller. And he inserted a microphone into a woman’s womb, just hours before she gave birth and put it eight millimeters from an unborn baby’s ear and captured that actual intra intra uterine recording, which is actually in the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, DC. Put it on a microchip and that’s the sound that’s inside our slumber bear sound box. So it’s like the real deal. And crazy, he would never get to do that today.

Goosebumps like, Yeah, like that.

Never be able to get to do that today. But, you know, I was a psych major. And they you know, it’s true that unless, like a lot of people have like, lullaby, you know, things, but babies don’t recognize that the only universally recognizable sound are the womb sounds. And so I’ve seen it very loud in there. Yeah, I’ve seen it like, like work like magic at trade shows, consumer shows, whatever they bring their, their babies who aren’t newborns to say the bullet work on, you know, my 10 month old, I’m like, try it. And the kids screaming and then all of a sudden, just quiet, you know, or I’ve seen them fall asleep in my eyes, they use them in maternity wards throughout Europe. It’s just an awesome product. And people were like, this is like CPR for parents, because it’s like life saving. And I go, that’s awesome. You know, autoshop tamer we’ve been having being used by veterinarians, for abandoned babies who are orphaned. And baby beavers, we’ve received photos of it, you know, puppies who are who are weaning, stuff like that. So that’s a super cool.

That’s it, it’s so cool to have these products that, like you’re transforming lives, right? Like, we get reviews that are like, You changed my life, helping our babies sleep. And it’s like, that’s what we’re here to do. But like, having such a direct impact on so many more families, like we can only work with so many people, you know, in that type of capacity that we do. But to have such a reach and then to be outside of the baby space is like baby animals, like I never would have thought of that. Yeah. You could probably also use the tub in those situations. Exactly.

Exactly. There’s a lot of overlap between those. In fact, we have a pet company as well, because there’s so much overlap. But we actually did that with the so we have a diaper Twister, diaper pail that is the only it’s the only odorless diaper pail in the world, honestly. I mean, I’ve used them all. In fact, they’re all outside my office here. And I’ve done tests. And it’s like the whiff test is like Ha. I mean, I videoed it and my husband’s like, what are you doing? And he was like, Why do you have all these diaper bills in here? I’m like, I’m testing all of them. Right? That’s what I do. And he does. But seriously, come on. It’s starting to smell. I’m like, Well, I know. That’s the whole point, right? And he I said, choose whichever one you think is not going to smell. And so he went to the one that I thought when he smelled either. He stepped on it. He walked back and then it hit him and he’s like it’s so funny. So this is one of my dad’s babies because he spent years years trying to solve the pain point of creating an odorless diaper pail and he finally did it. It took way too long. But he did it. And so that’s the diaper Twister. And we applied as I said he has a lot of patents, we applied the same patent to cat litter. And so we’re in the pet space with a litter Twister, kitty litter Twister. That seals in the odors. So truly, whether it’s whether it’s litter, or a diaper, once you drop it into our unit, you’ll never smell it again. Guaranteed

genius. Oh, that was always like whose Rock Paper scissoring for right? Yeah, all right,

major pain point that you like get used to and it burns like a perma stench in your nose every time you walk into a nursery and you just accept it or cat, you know, cat women. It’s like, they don’t know their house smells, but it smells and they get used to it. But you don’t have to anymore. And so that’s that’s something that you know, is like, It’s my dad’s kind of legacy, I’d call it it was it was one of those like, Ah, I can I can rest now. You know, he finally did it. So that’s an awesome one. We’ve got a lot of great great items, wipes warmers, were the first to create that. And when I moved to Europe, they’re like, We don’t have sissies as babies and but a lot of them funny enough, I actually had build that market here in the US people just got it. They’re already putting their wife’s packs on radiators to warm them up. Because you know the baby when they can articulate they go Oh, that’s cool. You know, before it’s just like, a Start All right, but they can actually articulate That’s cold. But the way I had to build the market was actually why I love life. swarmers it’s not just for comfort, and that’s what everyone assumes. It’s for hygiene. Because when you wash your face and I do use warm or cold water. Yeah warm if a man wet shaves uses warm. Why? Because we’re actually opening the pores to get the dirt and bacteria from the date off or opening the pores for a closer shave it that way. Yeah. When you have a dirty diaper, right? It’s one, those pores are open and that bacteria is able to be inside. If you wipe it with a cold wipe all those pores close, same thing with us. They pour the pores closed and they traps the bacteria and that’s what causes diaper rash. The wife’s warmers are not for comfort. They’re for hygiene. They do both. But that’s every Tuesday my mom I would watch my son. He was like the cobbler son who had no shoes. Because I was so busy. I never remembered to bring her wipes from our home every Tuesday, he had diaper rash. As soon as I got him home gone crazy.

That’s right. I never I never have all the like babies and clients and just my own two kids and wipes, you know, never would have thought of that. And it brings me I was laughing in my mind just a second ago because my husband got the first poop explosion, right? I mean, it shot like, across the room. And it was like the black, just fresh home bit. And he’s like, and he’s sitting there freaking out. There’s like poop. And then every time you would wipe, probably because it was cold because we were so new to like this whole pair.

They cry even more,

they cry even more than you’re wiping them with this cold thing. Then as you’re wiping there’s poop coming out. So

we had that moment you like, you must

have used an entire mountain of wipes. Coming and then there’s like, poop everywhere. I can’t say the other word because it’s a podcast, but it was just like, there’s poop everywhere. There’s a mountain of wipes. The butt is probably freezing. You know? It’s this tiny little newborn, you know? And it’s just like, yeah, so

I know, I actually have a picture of the puddle and meconium puddle.

So gross. Like shoot across the room. I go back to like the barn chicken wings and a beer after work. parenting thing like, I’m not really leaning into this. You know, but you’re when we would just had our own selves to worry about like, you wouldn’t be for dinner like okay, yeah, right. I know. I wouldn’t change it for the world. Now. My kids are six and eight. But it’s like, wow, like, life is complex. Now. Yeah, it’s

a different ballgame. It is I know. But it’s the sweet words.

I was just gonna say like we were my daughter was on the couch the other night and she was belly laughing and I very vividly remember in our other house, my son was similar, like, maybe two years old. And we first deep belly laugh and I was like, camera and record this because we’re never going to hear this laugh again, you know, because they grow up. And we don’t have any videos when my son was born. We just have pictures, you know, daughter was born, we got videos, but it’s like just recording those moments. Sometimes. Like I’m not a big phone person around me, which is probably why taking a little longer to grow on social media because I don’t want my phone like, you know what I think are the moments I’m going to capture just because I’m here. Yeah. The other night, my daughter had the belly laugh and like get this, you know, capture this moment. We didn’t actually then she was trying to recreate it. I’m like, no, no, no. We’re gonna do

it never works the second time, right? You prompt them and it’s like, it never works.

We’re gonna get this authentic at some point, you know, but like jarred me to do it. So you’ve been here 50 years. What is next generation look like here of Lionheart like where are you interested in?

Yeah, it’s interesting. You say that because I’m just talking about like phones, right? So they’ve become kind of appendages on so many of us for work for play for I you know, I kind of gave my husband a new middle name. It’s tick tock. Because I guess I don’t have tick tock, but he does and I guess it picks up on what I mean. I guess they all do. Big Brother’s watching always but it keeps giving him like DIY things. And he just, you know, just for a while. He just sits there and I know if it’s quiet, it’s like, oh, Dad’s on Tik Tok. My little my my four year olds like Dad, don’t go on Tik. Tok. Funny. But So what’s next for us while we continue to evolve? Right? So product development. In this day and age, there’s so much post COVID that’s being ordered online. So I mean, yeah, we’re all of our products going forward are all freight friendly. Because, you know, some things are massive packaging, like we make plastics, but I want my kids to see polar bears. So we recycle resin. We regrind our own, we recycle it, we do whatever we can, so that our footprint isn’t quite so, so large. Having said that, we build our products for multiple generations. Like we have heirlooms. And, you know, we’ve bought houses that have our dishwasher basket in the dishwasher. You know, because they’re built to last. And they are built for multiple children’s, so you don’t just want to done. And then I think also with the time so one of my passion projects that I’ve been wanting to do since my son was young. I wouldn’t get him a device until I could protect his body in a better way. And so I finally did that. And actually we’re about a week away from launching, but it’s EMF, protective kind of wearables for for kids, for pregnant moms, for adults, you know, because the science is there and it blocks 99.9% of EMF waves. They’re coming from devices that are particularly damaging to our children and to fetuses. And so it’s just you know, when you know better you do better and that’s the whole premise of it. So, kind of Prince Lionheart will be selling it. And it’s just kind of a passion project of mine, that, you know, it’s it is when you know better you do better. And that’s what I that’s what I try to do. As a parent, you know, we’re all winging it. Prince Lionhearts mission is to provide for life’s grand improvisation, which I believe is parenting. And, and we do the best we can by you know, solving real pain points, but doing it in a in a responsible manner. However we can. So I am

so happy that I found your brand and the quality of the products. And it’s just such a pleasure to get to learn more about this and that product sounds awesome. And I’m sure I’ll be checking it out on the website, because it’s like, this is the new accessory. I know. And my kids joke, they’re like, where’s my phone? I’m like, it’s not your phone, your six. It’s the you happen to know the code for because our entire life. And you take pictures on it. And you know, and my kids now have a drawer in the kitchen. I’m like, do not touch that until Saturday morning. Like they don’t oh, they’re not allowed any devices during the week. Because they’re still young, but it’s very hard. Like they watch TV. But like they’re those little phones where they’re taking pictures and you know, stuff. Like you’re not touching that till Saturday morning. And if it comes out, you lose it, you know? Because it’s just such a device heavy. Yeah, world.

Yeah, it is.

It’s just crazy. But I’m excited. Because to your point, like when you know better you do better and the science behind it. Like they’re not going anywhere.

No, they aren’t. And that’s the whole premise, embracing it and doing it the safe way. Yeah, no, it’s called bumble bee UBL. Because we can’t live in one. Right? Yeah. And so it was a, as I said, a passion project for years. And it’s finally coming to fruition. The website, it’s up now, but it’s getting redone this week, and they’ll finish it this week. And so we already have our inventory, and we’re ready to share it. So it’s pretty exciting. is um, yeah, I mean, I started protecting my, my baby from when they’re inside. And I’d wear the the bumper cover. And then there’s a breastfeeding shield. There’s a backwoods cape for kids, so that it stays on. Blankets, you know, my mom uses the blanket, their hats, and their shirts and lots of things to come. But, you know, it’s just and it’s not just going to be EMF, it’s it’s really shining a light on the things that you can’t see. But just because you can’t see doesn’t mean it’s not hurting you, right. And so there’s another product line that’s in the works, but it’s just, you know, that’s kind of what I want to do. It’s we’ve always tried to try to do it through Prince Lionheart. Now we’re doing it with, you know, pets, it’s like when you know better you do better. And, and there’s so many as you say, there’s so many similarities between pets, kids, and even adults, you know, once adult twice a child. So we have we have people, adults, buying our diaper pills for their own incontinence. So something I think, you kind of know where we’re going for the next several years, you know,

amazing, I’m so blessed that you were able to come on today, because I love talking, and just helping families to learn about products that are out there and things, frankly, that they didn’t think of, right? Like I said, I was ignorant 32 year old with a gun at Babies are us, like trying to, you know, just hit everything I could and and it’s it’s such a different life now even than eight years ago, and I’m much more educated. And I think people, you know, social media is the world these days, you know, you don’t have the store where you walk in, and it’s everything that you need for a baby. And what the hell do you need? There’s 9 million things in there.

And there’s so much now, it’s just overwhelming

information overload. So, like, I love bringing companies like yours to the spotlight, because I don’t know how people find them when you’re an expecting parent going. What do I do? Right? I think a lot of us just go to social media, you know. And so if I can bring voice with another person who finds Prince Lionheart today, great, like, they’re gonna buy something. And I think to your point, that longevity of the product, mushrooms, right, quality speaks for itself. And then they buy them something for the next person for that next generation, which is cool. So I’m very blessed that you were able to come on and thank you so much.

I appreciate you having us. It’s one thing we’re great at product and we’re we fall down when it comes to tooting our own horn. We’re just too busy doing what we love.

Like, you know, you just like I keep trucking. And Kelly, who was a mutual friend of ours, like, talk enough about like, all the great things to do and like well, we’re fine. I don’t write really like changing lives. You know?

We are Yeah, like Well, I’m glad to two minds came together today. So thanks for having us. Appreciate it. This is great.

And I will link everything up in the show notes. And then if you’re okay, because it’s going to launch by the time this goes live linking out to bubble and you know, just making sure people know where they can find you and certainly sharing it and I’ll let you guys know that We’ll make sure everybody’s got what they need to check out and all these.

Yes, it’s gonna be a bubble protects.com Cool. All right, I made a note. I’m gonna check it out. Awesome. Thank you so much. All right. Thanks so much, Courtney. Nice minute time with you. Take care you

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