Episode 129: Love & Fit Founder & CEO & how her nursing activewear is changing the motherhood space.

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Welcome to the kids sleep show, where we help tired parents from around the world to get their children to fall asleep independently, sleep through the night and build healthy sleep habits for Life. I’m your host, Courtney Zentz. Now let’s sleep together. Hey, everyone, welcome to this week’s episode of the Kids sleep show. I am joined this week by the founder of love and fitness. Laura Behrens, thank you so much for joining the show. I’m so excited to have you. Let’s start with introducing yourself. Tell us a little bit about yourself and how you found love and fit. Yeah, well, thanks for having me. I’m excited to be on the podcast today. So you know, I was just a new mom, about 787 years ago, my daughter, my oldest daughter is about seven and a half. And I was always into fitness and working out. And so I was trying to get back into shape after you know, having the baby. And I was working out in my living room. And there was times where you have to stop and nurse or She’d cry, or you just got no one’s working out. And you had a nurse and I had I was pulling up like a tight sweaty sports bra. And I was just like, oh, there’s got to be something else on the market. Like, you know, that’s cute and stylish, and we’re still looking and it was like I’ve never seen sports bra. I looked. And I think there was like only two or three and I ordered all of them. And I was like no, like, they just they didn’t fit well. They were like cotton. It wasn’t the fabric I wanted. And so I thought to myself, Okay, I this is something I would love. You know, I bet there’s so many other moms that would love like nice quality activewear for nursing and pumping. And so that’s where I got the idea. And we first actually launched in 2017 on Kickstarter, so and I had one nursing sports bra. And then I had leggings that have grips on the inside, so they don’t fall down. That was another issue I was having, I’d be like walking the baby, I’d be picking up and just always pulling my leggings up. And so I is designed these signature silicone kind of in the waistband leggings. So that’s how everything started. And we launched on Kickstarter. And then after that launched on our website, and obviously now seven years later, we’re here. That’s amazing. I was gonna say like the just the little lines and the silicone bands for somebody who had a C section, right? Like, that’s annoying, and you have to like manage the tightness. Because if it’s too tight, and you got the set, you know, so like that is a game changer alone. Just the fact that they’re not going anywhere, you know, and so I love love You and to be honest, like a lot of it’s kind of like they kind of just hold you in and after you have a baby, you kind of just want to feel that support. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. I felt like even you know, some days now I jump on the trampoline. And I’m like, I just peed my pants. And I’m a grown woman. That’s great.

But you know, I love that. And I think to your point, you know, I had my son Max, eight years ago, he’ll be nine tomorrow. And there was nothing, there was nothing on the market. Like I cut a hole in one of those old just basic cotton sports bras. And then I not only was able to pump but then I’d have milk that dribbled on to it, then I would smell so like nobody wants to. And then I have to take it off. Because now My nipples are poking through while I’m at work this random hole that I have.

So you were like a year after me, which is such a bummer, because I wish I could have used you. But I mean, what a cool idea. Because how many people are going through whether you’re exclusively pumping, whether you’re nursing, whether you’re nursing and pumping, right, all of the above. And then for how long? I mean, I was able to nurse my son for about nine or 10 months before he bid me i squealed like a circus seal. And then he never latched again, because I think this is out of him. And my daughter was like a whole different, you know, situation. But parents do this for a long time. I joke sometimes that, you know, the whole Pennsylvania Turnpike saw my boobs at some point, because it’s just such a process to like put these products on. So I mean, maybe talk a little bit about the bra, right, you talked a little bit about the leggings. They’re awesome. And they have amazing reviews. But the bra was like just this critical product that I know I could have used and so many parents listening are probably sitting there going on our Google loving fit, you know, talk about the design and like the ease of use because I was a pumping mom, who was also nursing and I was working full time trying to balance all of this. So why don’t we start with talking about that? Yeah, so we actually have so since that first launch, we don’t sell that bra anymore. Obviously I kept coming out with like more innovative things. I think right now we have two nursing and pumping bras on the site and then we have three nursing only but you can now of course there’s so many more wearable pumps. Right so our nursing bras are great for the wearable pumps and a lot of moms do the wearable pumps. So the three nursing bras we have are more athletic or more supportive. All of our bras have like adjustability on the straps adjustability on the band because

As you know, when your filler or you know, your breasts are gonna grow and then you after you nurse or your pump, they go back down. So we I really wanted to add a lot of adjustability, a lot of fun colors designs on the nursing ones. Our top selling one right now is our everyday nursing and pumping bra which doesn’t have any clips, and or anything. So it’s super, super cozy the fabric is I’m kind of a fabric snob like it is the thickest, softest coziest fabric, ever. That’s why I tell people, you definitely could sleep in this bra. I woke up in the middle of the night and had a pump. So this was kind of I design design, this specific bra was, gosh, I just, you know, I want to wake up and just like turn over, put the pumps in, you know, pump, put back vote, go back to sleep and then affect the nurse the baby. If the baby wakes up, then it can nurse as well. So that’s really one of our top selling bras as well. We do have moms that still workout in it. It wasn’t really designed for that. It’s more kind of like everyday, but it’s supportive enough for for workouts and everyday as well. Yeah, which I love because I am somebody who’s like, I want to get dressed in the morning. And then do my thing, right. And I know so many parents try to squeeze in the workout and like the wellness. How do you fit it in, right? Like, you’ve got these products that are amazing and flexible. Right. The last time I wore a very tight sports bra, when I was still pumping, I got mastitis because it was tight. And I don’t think people realize that and then you get in gorged and then I went all day, I was helping my girlfriend move, I still remember it. And the next day I woke up and it was just like infection because it was too tight. And it pushed you know, all day. So I mean, I think the wearability of it, and the fact like, I didn’t have big boobs, you know, when I was nursing, but they were bigger than they were three kids, you know, probably like a full be when I was nursing. So they weren’t, you know, hanging down to my

parts or anything. But still, like, they noticeably changed. Right? And you know, so I think that all day like possibility, like if I did a little yoga wasn’t exactly like crushing the sweat. But it was enough that I could like stretch and still do it in the bra. And then like go on with the rest of my day, like the flexibility of that type of product is cool. And the ability to pause as a new mom and just get a workout in is also equally as cool. Like you were a working mom, right? Who was also coming up with this product, like talk a little bit about your journey to trying to get it all done. Right trying to fit it all in because I think there’s this a part of overwhelm. And I think as new moms, I was guilty of it too. That baby came first and everything around that baby. And the rest of our life came first and I came last I didn’t drink enough. I didn’t get water.

I didn’t drink enough water. I didn’t eat enough. I didn’t take care of myself enough. You know what I mean? Like I think we put ourselves on the back burner. And there’s an aspect of mental, physical, both when we do make time as a new parent, so maybe talk a little bit about that. Yeah, so honestly, that was why I was so passionate about creating something like this because I wanted to be, I wanted to be able to wear it all day. And then if there was a chance where the baby actually fell asleep and you know, slept during that nap time, I can quickly go fit in a workout and I don’t have to change, right? So fitting in workouts when you’re, you know, a new mom, it’s like you just you can’t be like, Okay, I’m gonna workout at 7am because that’s when I’m going to work out because you don’t know maybe the baby was awake all night. And then all of a sudden, the baby is asleep. Now Now you’re exhausted like you just never know when you can. So I was like, I just want to be prepared that when I can I have my my bra on I’m ready to go.

In regards to to kind of how I was balancing it at the time I was working in corporate. So I was working in corporate America and had the baby had a maternity leave. And I think write it during the maternity leave is when I came up with the idea I was about three months postpartum. And so I just kind of started doing it on the side, like coming up with a designs finding a factory, figuring out how to do samples, and then I was working my corporate job. So I was just kind of dabbling in it. After I kind of got samples and everything made. I was like, Okay, I think this is like a really great product. I got laid off from my corporate job. And I was like, Oh my gosh, what do I do now? Like, I’m almost done with like, the final sample of this of this, you know, these leggings in this bra. I think I want to launch on Kickstarter. And so I just decided, okay, I have a little savings. I’m going to I’m going to just go full speed ahead. I’m not going to get another corporate job. And I’m just gonna see if I can do this. And honestly, I just took a leap. I know.

Most people will say, you know, wait till you can, you know, build up your company until you can pay yourself full time. Then quit your job. But I was like, Well, I didn’t quit my job. I got laid off the whole sales team got laid off. So I took a job and

And, you know, the first year was scary. But I was able to, you know, really push ahead, you know, to get to start paying myself and, you know, and make it a full time, full time job and career. And I think there is something to the folks that are listening who might be in a similar situation or be thinking like, what do I want this next chapter to look like? To take the leap of faith? Right. And I think, for me, it was the pandemic, like I was working full time. And probably 5060 hours a week all over, I was a sales engineer and did marketing and set you know, so it’s like three in the morning with Tokyo and you’re like, oh, my gosh, like, what am I doing? And doing the sleep coaching on the side? You know, in the business every year, we got busier, busier, busier, and then COVID hit, and I’m like, Okay, now I’m a preschool kid and a kid in first grade. Like, I can’t, I can’t do this. And is it ever the right time? Yeah. I mean, it was number Yeah. Like, what are we gonna do with this? Like, what do you want to do? And he’s like, Well, you know, we could do I’m like, then you stay home?

Mom, because I’m like, I like working. You know, same thing, like just taking that leap of faith and kind of trusting in your product, which is so cool. Because I think it’s hard for people to commit sometimes to like that leap of faith. And what if you didn’t do it? You know, where would you be? So I love that just took the leap of faith, because look where it’s gotten you, you know, and it’s, it’s amazing. And all of the great parents that you’ve impacted, which is also equally as cool, I think, you know, I think we sometimes get in our own way with ID ideation of like, what it’s all supposed to look like, you know, at eight weeks, I almost had a nervous breakdown. And my husband and I were in the car, and I was like, I can’t do this, I can’t be the perfect wife, the perfect mom, the perfect house made while you’re at work all day, because you leave at five and go to the gym and go to your corporate office at eBay and do all your financing. Right, and I’m home with this five week old, it’s not sleeping, I got milk shooting out of my boobs, and I don’t actually like maternity leave, I’m not bonding, like you said I’m supposed to. And I just kind of want all of this to go away. And he’s like, You know what? You need to get a whiteboard. And I swear, Laura, I could have stabbed him with a pencil. When he said that. I very clearly remember the conversation, we were on our way to the beach. And he’s like, You need a whiteboard? Like, what am I going to do the whiteboard?

Whiteboard ever, you know? And I just I remember the conversation is like, Courtney, I can’t help you. You’re pumping your nursing, you are home on maternity leave, because you can’t go back to work yet. You have a newborn baby. So let me help you. And it was the first time we’re like, we kind of had that like candid conversation that I think as parents or as women as moms, right, we take on that responsibility of all of it. And it falls on us. Sometimes by default. He couldn’t feed there’s nothing coming out of your boobs, right? And every once in a while, like we’d give the kids formula to like we weren’t, well, one way or the other. But he’s like, I can’t help you. So let me help you in this way. It was probably the best 20 minute conversation though. I didn’t want to stab him with one of my erasable. Yeah.

They were talking about it and I was like, Alright, man. So I was on Amazon in the car. You know, I ordered the biggest fattest whiteboard ever to get on the frigerator that whiteboard, I’m gonna get the biggest one possible. But it did. It saved my sanity as a new mom who was trying to quote do it all because I felt like I had to. And I think we feel that responsibility sometimes you know, and when he came home, we got back from the beach Sunday, the whiteboard was sitting there and I sat there with permanent marker and I was like, alright, what things need to get done this week. Kids laundry, our laundry, change the poop smelling diaper, Genie.

Clean the bathroom, cut the grass, pick the vegetables, like you know sanitize pump parts, like just all the things like I listed all of them. I’m like you want passive aggressive pal, you’re gonna get it.

And it was the greatest thing we ever did for golf dollars with that little whiteboard that got shipped from Amazon because he could come home from work and go Alright, your pump part needs to get sanitized. No, we haven’t done the laundry all week. I’ll take the kids laundry tomorrow we’ll do our laundry you know. And so I think it opened up a new wave of communication in our marriage because I was trying to hold it all in. So I didn’t show the world frankly, that I was falling apart Laura, I was terribly postpartum, anxious and depressed. I have no idea because I’d never felt those feelings before. I had never dealt with anxiety or depression. And I was trying to be like everything to everyone on the inside. I was crumbling. When I think as most women I think for like, you know, for myself and it sounds like for you, like we’re just kind of go getters to like, we’re like we’re gonna get it done. Got the schedule. We’re gonna, you know, and um, and, you know, when I became a new mom as well I realized like, oh, I have never asked

For helping my life because I always did everything myself. And I just was like, you know, I don’t need help. i That was the first time I realized like, oh my gosh, I need help. Like, yeah, that is a great way. I mean, thankfully, you have a great husband that was like, you know, wanting to contribute, you know, and help with, you know, all the things that you have to do. But you have to, unfortunately, I feel like you kind of have to ask for it. And you have to like, kind of give some direction of like, Hey, here’s the things that I need help with, you know, can we, you know, block off this on Monday, this on Wednesday, you know, on Friday, I think? I think that’s what, you know, I had to do as well. Yeah, well, and I think for the the moms that are listening, that maybe right now you’re just home with your newborn, and you’re exclusively nursing and you’re going you know what, I’m going to check out these bras that love and fit and see what they have to say. And then you go, you know what I might try to pump I’m going to start to pump because we were joking, like, you get that pump and you’re like, What do I do with this? Is my nipples supposed to touch the sides? It’s so confusing. Am I supposed to push that button that makes it go?

No. So I think as you know, somebody who might be sitting there listening to this going to explore all of this as opposed cardamom, right? Give yourself some time to like, for me, the freedom of adding in that pumping. allowed me to say, You know what, I’m gonna go get my nails done. Because I feel like a better human when my nails are painted to this day. Like, if there’s one thing that helps me feel put together, it’s that or just gonna go like where we lived at the time. Like I could walk around Marshalls. And I’m like, I don’t know. I love that. I love walking on the store.

Let me just come home with $400 worth of useless crap. And I don’t need another Buddha. When you stand in front of something. Now, I want you to say to yourself, Courtney, do I want this? Or do I need this? And I joke now because I still sometimes it’ll be in there. And I’m like, do I want this? Or do I need we we buy whatever we want my husband I are very like, financially, like independent. Like, I don’t need to ask your permission to go some partials. But like, he’ll still catch me every now and then I’m like, do I want or need the eight foot Buddha for the deck?

My baby, okay, maybe I just need that. And we’ll just pass it today. And I’ll get a candle or something. But giving myself permission to like, Okay, I’m gonna pump. Or you know what, Max is gonna have formula today because it’s okay. I didn’t make enough milk today. And I add okay, too. And maybe I’ll add our pump in or I’ll see a lactation counselor or something. You know, I mean, I think just this new journey of parenting can be so overwhelming for people. So, you know, seven years in and also creating a product that focuses on postpartum parenting. Like, what advice would you give a new mom who’s listening today to go give yourself some grace man, like, I think we need more of it in the world. So like, what advice would you give a new mom who’s listening to this today? Going? Yeah, I feel you ladies. So I, you, okay, everyone gets those those things when you have a baby, like, they’re gonna grow fast, or, you know, all the things that everyone says to and you’re like, okay, yeah, whatever, okay, whatever. then seven years later, you’re like, oh, they were right.

You know, like, cherish this moment, and like, you’re just so tired, and you just want to sleep. But they’re, like, cherish that, that little phase, and you’re like, I just want to sleep. Now seven years, I would, I literally would say the same thing that I hated people telling me but like, is to just try your hardest to be in the present moment and cherish that, that every little stage, you know, you’re not going to cherish every single moment I’ve ever have in second of the life, but like taking little snippets of like, you know, like, last night I was, my daughter was my two and a half year old was just eating. And she was like, looked up and was watching the cartoon. And I just took a second to just look at her and just be like, she’s just so pretty and beautiful. And just a moment like just to cherish throughout your day. As your as your child grows and gets older. And because they are gonna go to seven years old, and you’re gonna kind of be like, oh, man, I kind of miss those days when they were that little. And so that’s kind of what I would tell myself, if I was back there is like Laura take the time to just be with them. You know, there’s like, there’s laundry. Yes, there’s things to do. And at that time, it was work. And, you know, part of me feeling guilty is like, I was starting a company while I was raising, you know, now two kids and a lot of time went to the company, you know, and a lot of time that, you know, could have been more spent with the kids obviously, I was with them a lot. But, you know, if I wasn’t starting a new company, you know, I’d have even more time. So, um, you know, it’s just giving yourself grace on like, Hey, I’m starting the company, but hopefully, you know, as they get older, I’ll have more time because, you know, I have my own company.

Now totally. And it’s, I remember with my son, I didn’t take videos, I took photos, you know, like, Oh, here’s a cute picture of him. And I wish I had the video. So then when I had my daughter which would be seven years ago

Now, I had more videos of her like doing the thing. Oh, like, you know, all that fun stuff. But I will say I very vividly remember recording this deep belly giggle. And it’s like you don’t hear it often. But when you get there, like I remember telling my husband is there was this giggle happening with my son, get the camera, and I’m like, Please record this, like, now I gotta go back and find the video. But I know I have it in my phone and 47,000 photos. It’s there somewhere. And I know kind of the age because we still lived in our old house. And that really weird looking brown couch. I

remember the moment because it’s like, I just those belly laughs And every once in a while my kids will still get into it now or they get that deep belly laugh and it just takes me right back to that moment. Like, gosh, I do. Like my kids are older now. And I will say like, every age for me was like, Okay, this is my favorite age and they’d hit a milestone. It’s like, this is my favorite age. And so frankly, some days, you know, they’re hard. Like, some days even now they’re hard some days back then they were hard and you’re sleep deprived. But it is like just savoring the moments because they go so fast. Like my son now he’s like, No kisses, mommy, no kisses, kid now like,

I scratch your back.

How do you need me? What can I do? Yeah. I don’t know that in those moments when it’s so hard, right? You’re just like, This is so hard. I know. I didn’t know, having children and then being a parent, or at least that for me, like, right away. I was like, this is like, harder than I thought it was gonna be. Yeah, not for sure. And I think you can’t prepare for it. Right? Like, you read all the books and you do the registry. And you’re like, I got this. I read the things and then they come home and you’re like, and now what? How much do they need to sleep? Yeah. Should they be eating? Are they hungry? You know, why are my boobs doing this? Why is my vagina doing this? You know, like,

pop up? And then I was like, Why didn’t someone tell me? And then I’m, you know, why didn’t my mom tell me more about how this was gonna be? Yeah, well, that talks about it that much. You know, so and you don’t like I would say like, find someone, right? As a new parent, finding someone in your community like my mom had passed away. So I was like, straight up alone. And I had my best friend. Thankfully, she had just moved the month I had my son and she was my neighbor behind us. And we had gone to college together. I mean, we were friends for years. But she knew she knew what I was about to walk into. And I went in with a bit of arrogance. Like, I got this. I’m like, type a boss. Like, we’re good. I can’t wait to get stuff done on maternity leave, I’m going to crank out stuff. And she’s like, Yeah, okay, you know, okay, and so you know, but she also saw the lowest of my lows, where I had like a nervous breakdown, because I couldn’t put the Moby Wrap on without being afraid that I was going to drop my kid. Yeah, no disrespect to the Moby Wrap. I just didn’t know what that was doing, or how to use new parent that sent me over the edge. Like I was at the barbecue, and I couldn’t get this thing on. And my, you know, my girlfriend saw me just crumbling in front of like, 70 people, and she’s like, let’s go inside, I’ll take the baby.

Down. We’ll get something in here’s a vodka club. Like, yeah, just pump and dump next time. But it was just, you know, like having a village having somebody you can, you can go to like, I know, you have, like Facebook community and like, different ways that parents can like seek support, like talk a little bit about just your mission overall, as a company, like, what are you trying to do? Because I think we all try to do it. And some know that there’s a village out there, and some just sit in silence because they just don’t know what they don’t know. Yeah, I was just talking about this with a friend because I don’t have family. I’m originally from South Dakota. So my family is all in South Dakota, but I live in California. So I have one sister that lives like two hours away. But otherwise, we don’t have really support. And so I wanted to just say to new moms, like like you like find friends, friends can still be your village, right friends, you know, that have kids that don’t have kids, they can still be your friends and ask for help. So I just wanted to add that in there.

But you know, my overall mission when I created this was, since I went I felt like postpartum was really hard. I felt like breastfeeding and pumping was hard. There was one moment where I wasn’t producing enough milk and I was pumping in my car and I just freaked out, took the pump parts that had some, like a dribble of Malcolm threw him in the car. Because I just was like, oh my god, I can’t even do this anymore. My body’s not making enough milk anymore. Like I just freaked out, you know. And I thought to myself, if I can create, you know, a product or now multiple products that can make, you know, a mom’s life this much easier, and maybe help her fit in more movement, more exercise to make her feel better, because a lot of our stuff is a little bit more for support and activewear and athleisure. You know, that would be amazing because that’s all I want it. And so my mission is kind of to reach as many women and moms mom as moms as possible to just help them do

We’re in that stage and make them feel good. And, you know, put on a pair of leggings and you know, a sports bra or, you know, a nursing top and just feel good during that stage and then beyond. Yeah, no, I love that. Because it’s just,

we don’t have to do it alone, like you don’t find. So you know, I mean, I think the best thing I found were nursing support groups at the local hospital. Now, this was eight years ago, but I craved every Thursday at 10am, where I started to get ready at seven

you know, and I’d be okay to get out the door and make it to that thing and get the stroller and you know, March my little took us into the, into the wing where I could meet like, 10 or 12 other moms and they would weigh the baby and I would sit nurse, and we could talk like, just to have a village like I felt super alone. And so there I think I’m like a love hate person with the Internet. You know, I don’t love social I don’t love. You know, I like I said love hate, I think it has beautiful positives, but there’s also like, overwhelming negative with it. And

but it’s still can be a village, you know, so wherever you connect to that village, whether it’s like a local drive to support group or a Facebook group for moms who had babies, October 22, of 2012, or whatever.

There’s a lot of places out there. So I would say like, ask for help ask your friends, like find that village. And, you know, connecting with businesses like us, like, go on those pages, and look what they’re doing. And, you know, look at your page and your social and find, you know, I think by finding new companies like love and fit or like tiny transitions, right, you can also if you’re a mom sitting there going, I don’t have a village and I don’t know where to start, start there. Like just because you can start to figure out and connect with other, you know, other people who might be struggling with the same thing and trying to build that community. So you’re not alone. Because nobody wants to do this alone. It’s not easy, no matter what people might think, or what your Instagram feed might say, you know, like, being a parent is hard. And I you know, I think there’s some openness and like owning that, and no one like, you know what, there’s days I say the F word in front of my kids, they tell me I owe him $1. And I’m like, Alright, moving on. I’m not. Yeah, you know, it is what it is, like, we all have those days. But I think just trying to be the best version of ourselves and being true to ourselves and like owning that, like it’s okay, that we need to be active and do things, you know, and as a family do things and take some time for ourselves to do things, right. Like, yeah, and it’s okay to ask for permission to do that. And it’s okay to just do it. You know, depending, obviously, what, what it is you’re doing. But I’m so excited to like, continue to learn more, and share with everybody your mission about love and fit. And just appreciate you being on the show today to talk to mom. So if I could leave them with like one piece of advice, what would it be?

One piece of advice? Well, you kind of already mentioned what I always say, but I

I strongly believe that, you know, women or moms should always be taking time, even if it’s 20 minutes for themselves. Because when you become a mother, you know, your children kind of end up coming first. And so for me, I take an hour

a day where I move my body. I know that might be seem drastic for some people, but it could be just 15 minutes or 20 minutes. And for me for me movement makes me feel better. Sometimes it could be a walk in the park and I could be meditating and kind of thinking while I’m walking sometimes I could be going to the gym. But I I try to push an hour a day to for myself, and usually involve some movement, but it could be could be like reading a book or something like that. And that’s what I would. My advice would be because I think it’s huge for overall well being and who you are as a partner who you are as a mom, is to take that time for yourself. Yeah, I love that. Absolutely. I used to walk. I would pump and walk. Yeah, hours a day when I was on maternity leave. So I would do the second nap and the fourth nap of the day walking. So it got me out. It got me active. I can still pump if I needed to. I could guarantee and happen the car seat or the stroller or whatever. And we’d know those like click and fit things. Yeah. So it was great. Like you know, so I love that. So movement, know that there’s a village and just take a deep breath because you’re doing great mom. Yeah. Now so for those who are listening, you’re doing great. Yep. Yeah, for sure. Awesome. Well, I appreciate you being on the show today. Laura, I know you’ve got so much amazing stuff that is coming up. How can people find you learn more about loving fit and follow along on your great journey? Sure. So we’re really big on Instagram. I’m always I’m on there like pretty much every day and it’s at love and fit shop. And then our website is loving fit.com Awesome. I’ll make sure all that is included in the show notes as well and I really appreciate you jumping on today to talk all about your amazing product and look forward to it.

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